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Shrinkflation is all over. Burger buns at fast food places were more dense 20 years ago. The small burgers had 1/8th pound patties instead of the current 1/10th pound. It's hard to find a product that hasn't gotten worse or more expensive, even adjusted for inflation.
The burger patties were absolutely not 1/8 pound. I can assure you from experience as a Professional McDonald's Worker in 2003 that those were 10:1 patties then as well. I can also vouch for the same from another major burger chain circa 2001. I'm sure they shrink everything possible, but interestingly they haven't been shaving down the beef quantities for some reason.
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Didn’t they also have filler then remove it to be 100% beef at some point?
100% beef is a trademark.
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Only after attempts to call one of their suppliers or processors "100% Beef" failed.
I recall a similar claim regarding pop music compilation CDs advertised as being performed by "The Original Cast", which was really a group by that name playing covers of popular songs.

Or another being "Made in USA", where Usa was a city in Korea.

I feel like there is a probably apocryphal story of a town in Japan being called Scotland so they can sell whisky as Scotch.

Which as a highlander I don’t see the need for - Japanese whiskey is quite able to stand in its own and hold its own.

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Companies hate raising prices, or more specifically customers hate it when prices are raised so companies don't like to do it. especially in foods. As such the go-to dance to keep up with inflation is to reduce the size while keeping the price the same as long as possible, when this becomes too noticeable the size is returned to original the price is increased and a big 20% more is added to the package. Repeat as needed.

Note that this is the most charitable interpretation where the customer deception is fairly minor(inflation happens, gotta sneak that price increase in there some how) Stuff like deceptive packaging(make it look like there is more than is actually present) punts it into the outright evil category.

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Which is why I say people claiming that inflation is at least 2x undercounted relative to lived experience are right. Everything diminishes, all across the board. Materials get cheaper. Service quality gets lower - and when it doesn't, all the incidentals around it get worse.

My go-to example: your local hairdresser may keep the same prices (adjusted for the official inflation or otherwise), but over the years, they may have stopped serving coffee and started offering only water. The salon used to be beautiful and stylish, and now looks dirty and furnished with cheapest bargain-bin business store furniture. Flowers are gone or replaced with cheap plastics. Toilets never have toilet paper in it, faucet always leaking. Waiting room sofas got replaced with cheap chairs. Even the magazines are gone, and in their place you just get leaflets. Etc.

Repeat the same for your local grocery store, parking lot, car dealership, bus stop, airport, cinema, everything.

The second half of the inflation is literally everywhere, in everything - it can be easily seen once you start looking for it. And after that, you can't unsee it.

> It's hard to find a product that hasn't gotten worse or more expensive, even adjusted for inflation.

computers i think are more affordable now than even 20 years ago, in bang for buck

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But what about 1 year ago?
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Ice cream is 1.5 qt not 1/2 gallon. I don't know what they put into pizza "dough" but it's not real flour.

Everything has been spreadsheeted to death.

    > I don't know what they put into pizza "dough" but it's not real flour.
This is a weird claim. Wheat is so incredibly cheap in the developed world; why would you bother with a substitute for a regular pizza? Also, can you share any specifics or details? Honestly, I don't really believe your claim.
Pizza adjacent:

Some clever fellow decided to shave a nickel by padding their shredded parmesan with sawdust and now the other brands of parmesan have "No cellulose!" on the label as if that is a selling point. Which it is, now, alas.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/feb/17/parmesa...

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there are different flours available which vary in suitability for different purposes and in cost. King Arthur Flour has a computer controlled mill and they offer a service to bread makers to let them specify their own "recipe" for the flour they wish to order.

https://www.cooksinfo.com/flour-grades

excerpt:

"French bakers will use straight flour in their bread making; North Americans and British generally don’t.

"Straight flour is separated by sifting in other grades. The straight flour is passed along a roller over different sieves. Different grades fall through the appropriate sieve along the roller. In the percentages given below, the lower the percentage of straight flour that falls through a particular grading sieve, the more desirable the flour."

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>why would you bother with a substitute for a regular pizza?

Shelf life, reduced calories, ease of working with, etc, etc. Basically all those secondary goals you optimize for once it's a given that the pizza will pizza properly.

To be honest, for some things, getting a smaller serving and/or higher price is a blessing in disguise - health-wise at least. Same with soda servings where very large cups or bottles encourage higher consumption.
I was genuinely curious to see what the legally mandated calorie/ingredient content labelling was in 1991 on a UK Mars bar, but sadly no pictures of the underside.

While I've no doubts shrinkflation explains a great deal of this, it would be interesting if increased mandatory food content reporting on packaging had even a small effect on reducing the calorie content of confectionery over time, as consumers could more easily compare etc and market responded with products in portion sizes to better fit preferences.

You can even see in the article photo, the more recent modern Mars bar has the calorific content printed on the front, in addition to the big label all UK food has on the rear. The 1991 example does not.

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except that soda is (sadly) one case where the cups have gotten bigger. did they even have 32 oz "extra extra gulp" size 30 years ago?
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> Ice cream is 1.5 qt not 1/2 gallon.

Except Blue Bell, who use a bright banner on their packaging to call out "Still 1/2 Gal!".

The thing about ice cream is overrun. How much air is in that half gallon today vs 30 years ago? I'm sure you are buying more air today.
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The air is necessary. A solid block doesn't scoop well with hand tools.
> I don't know what they put into pizza "dough" but it's not real flour.

That conspiracy doesn't make sense given that flour is probably the cheapest ingredient in a pizza besides water. You'd have a hard time finding something cheaper, not to mention hiding it (either from the ingredients list, or from your conspirators)

There's different grades of flour and different countries grade them differently.
As someone who hates the government and the megacorps, I loathe statements like the OPs because there are so many legit and real reasons to hate shit before we come up with "KFC doesn't call themselves Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore because there isn't enough chicken in their product" type of conspiracy nonsense.

Also, based on the statement, you're buying shit pizza from trash restaurants/frozen garbage. That's why the crust is bad. Pizza is one of the cheapest things you can make, that's why when I worked in restaurants I always said if you can't make money selling pizza you need to get out of the industry.

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Blue Bell is a real half gallon.
It's also like a real 8 or 9 bucks.
You can get the cheap gallons for less than that. The cookies 'n' cream is pretty alright.
3.785L or 4.546L? Both are real gallons.
everything is being min-maxed, have you noticed how flimsy and soft cereal boxes have become, and plastic-packaged goods having thinner plastic, and often replaceable lids have been replaced with single-use film (thinking specifically of hummus for this one).

Taking the time to count the ways shrinkflation is (fractionally) eroding quality of life would take an age.

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This is never more apparent than when you start making your own stuff from scratch. The comparison is stark.
I have found it is roughly an order of magnitude cheaper to cook at home, even once you factor in the "lost" time.

The amount of time required to prepare incrementally larger batches increases at a sub-linear rate. The bigger your batch, the more food you get per unit of wall clock time. I try to prepare no less than 3 lbs of dry beans or 2 lbs of beef at a time. Anything less does actually feel like I'm wasting my energy.

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I'd be curious to know, with the reduction in size, if calorie density went up.

Because that would fit a lot of people's perception of how food is going: you get less, but what you do get is worse for you.

Potentially as a side effect. A lot of ingredients are switched to cheaper, often more processed substitutes.

For example, vegtable oil instead of olive oil, fructose corn syrup instead of honey or sugar.

Beyond that chainging composition to reduce amount of expensive ingredients. Think Pesto Genovese which is originally Parmesan, Basil, pine nuts, etc. Instead of only pine nuts, you now include other nuts for texture and only add a smaller amount for flavour (and worse add flavoring so customers don't notice too quickly).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22486545/

Palm fat instead of butter in doughs/baked goods is what annoys me a lot recently. But in that case it probably isn't just purely about cheaper goods but also about expanding the market to include vegans similar to how a lot of meat products replace haram pork with turkey.
not to mention "Bac'n Bits" which my wife picked up as a salad topping which contains NO bacon, and is simply colored crispy soy bits with smoke flavor. Someone aught to arrest the manufacturer

Also in big letters "OLIVE OIL" with barely legible "mixed with 90% sunflower seed, canola and other oils"

Brother I don't know what to tell you. Chick'n, Bac'n, Be'ef etc. are well-known vegan susbtitutes for the pun'd meats. Most of them explicitly say they're vegan on the box. That's not shrinkflation, you just didn't read the package.
My Brother in Christ I don't know why anyone would assume Bac'n bits are not made of Bacon...

I am reading the container it says

Bac'n Pieces BACON FLAVORED BITS Great Bacon Flavor! artificially flavored

There's no fruit in Froot Loops.

There's no crab in Krab sticks.

There's no cream in Krispy Kreme.

There's no vanilla in Nilla Wafers.

There's no mayonnaise in Just Mayo.

There's no lemon in Country Time Lemonade mix.

There are no truffles in most truffle oil.

There's no Wasabia japonica in most of wasabi.

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To be fair, "Bac'n Bits" have been made of soy for decades - IIRC, they have always been. That's not them being cheap - they were designed that way. You just didn't realize. A lot of brands are similar - not all are vegetarian or vegan, but many are.
I've been vegetarian a long time, I remember eating Bac'n Bits in the 1980s since they didn't actually have any meat in them.
I remember picking up something at the grocery store that featured a large "No High Fructose Corn Syrup" claim on the front. The ingredients on the back listed "corn syrup" which fulfilled the letter of the claim, but not the spirit I would say.
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If you see a bottle saying "OLIVE OIL" and its actually a mix of sunflower, canola, or other oils in small print that's a product illegal to be sold in the US. It has to be very clearly labeled its a mix.

If its labeled as olive oil it has to be just oil from olives. The "extra virgin" and related labels don't carry any real weight here in the US though. I do wish we'd enforce labeling standards on stuff like EVOO, maybe also require actual country of origin for that particular bottle instead of allowing them to list it may come from practically every olive oil producing country.

Please name and shame the product, and report it to the USDA.

The usual trick is "made with OLIVE OIL".
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is there any actual truth that real sugar is not as bad as HFCS? If I drink an american coke every day am I really worse off than if I have the cane sugar coke?
No. They're metabolically equivalent. "High fructose" corn syrup is "high" relative to normal corn syrup, not relative to sugar, some of the HFCS formulae in packaged food has less fructose than table sugar, and, most importantly, your body is a well-oiled machine at breaking down sucrose, which is cleaved enzymatically immediately upon it entering your gut; there's no material slowdown in digestion from eating sucrose.

(The key thing to remember is that sugar is bad for you; it's not that HFCS is good, but rather that cane sugar is just as harmful.)

Two fun additional notes:

* There's a video somewhere showing how cane sugar breaks down into fructose and glucose in bottled sodas anyways, and

* Perhaps unsurprisingly, taste testers can't reliably distinguish between HFCS and cane sugar formula Coke.

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I don't think so. I've seen things that say fructose has worse effects than sucrose in terms of spiking your blood sugar or whatever but that's minor compared to the overall impact of any sugar. Sugar is sweet because we were once starving beasts and calories were good. Now it's a hazard. And corn syrup gets dumped into all kinds of processed foods in the US because of how cheap it is, and how much people like sweet stuff.

We have shaped our food culture in a way to maximize short term profit at the expense of making everyone fat and disabled longer term.

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I'm unaware of any large scale studies on this topic. Both are pretty bad health-wise and should be avoided in regular large doses by anyone regardless.

I pointed it out because its often used instead of sugar for cost reasons.

I remember watching a video (something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY66qpMFOYo, but probably not that exact one) where they did the analysis and determined that Mexican cane-sugar coke contains the exact same proportion of sugars as HFCS coke - and it's because of the chemistry of how the sugars break apart in the presence of acid in the liquid.

So in theory an extremely fresh mexican coke might be different, but in practice you're getting the same thing.

Not really other than the micronutrient dimension which is not relevant in most commercial preparations. What matters most is the other stuff you're having it with. You want to have fiber _at the same time_ as refined carbs/any kind of sugar/jaggery/honey/palm sugar/... In a coke you're just getting sugar and water which is terrible.
Yes, you get pure fructose which is processed by your liver. With normal sugar you get a mix of fructose and sucrose, so less fructose.

Excessive consumption of fructose leads to fatty liver and is just generally bad for you.

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I'd be relatively surprised if the Mars bar's calorie density went up after it was ruined in 2002. The old Mars bar was a beast: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49245791 .
That's one reason I phrased it as density rather than weight or a raw count of calories. For density we would have the weight as a denominator.

It's conceivable that if they've removed better quality ingredients, calories per gram of weight could go up.

A lot of people feel like stuff tastes worse than it used to, too

That's obviously hard to measure because you can't do a blind taste test of a 20 year ago candy bar and one today, and people's tastes change as they get older. But worse ingredients making a worse flavor is possible too

Over here in the UK at the moment you can. They’ve recently made huge changes to a lot of chocolate products in the space of a year or two. Especially cadburys which is now just at the legal definition of chocolate over here. Any lower and they legally have to call it “chocolate flavoured” which has already recently happened to a bunch of classic lunchbox chocolate bars. So shit.
You can google "CPI price change graph by type good" to find which things have undergone real inflation vs real deflation. TVs, phones, toys, clothes, furniture, cars.

Everyone likes to say Homer Simpson lived like a king. He had a car that was so bad it would be illegal to sell new today, no cell phone, no netflix, no Uber eats, clothes were so expensive it was worth the SAHM fix them, pizza or Chinese takeaway were a luxury, not a lot of furniture.

People today eat so well that broke 30 year olds will order haute cuisine and say it's basically the same price as home cooking (OK it's roughly as big a rip off as maccas in Australia but still ... home cooking can be dirt cheap).

McDonald’s has been 1/10th pound since 1950.
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Technology in the form of computers, cell phones, and AI have been getting cheaper and better. Access to information is another one but that requires agency to take advantage of and get the benefits. This could be personal health, starting/running your own business, using ai to help create ads for your business, etc.
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> It's hard to find a product that hasn't gotten worse or more expensive, even adjusted for inflation.

Hmm. I think it's just as easy to find products that haven't gotten worse or more expensive as it is to find ones that have. For every mars bar, there's a video game.

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> For every mars bar, there's a video game.

The economics of software (including video games) are entirely different than candy bars or burgers as the marginal cost of each "unit" is effectively zero.

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Agreed. It's not just a reduction in size, but a reduction in general quality. For example, my preferred NIVEA roll-on deodorant used to come in a glass bottle and now it comes in a plastic one.

I suspect shrinkflation has a lot to do with inflation. Companies degrade the quality of their products to preserve their margins which are being eaten up by inflation.

At this point, it's worth mentioning this, if only to make you think the robot uprising can't come soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-pound_burger

Nuggets are the same shape (boot, circle) but slightly smaller and much thinner now. If I had to estimate, probably 40% less pink sludge goes into each one.
What about the quarter pounder with cheese? Isn't that still a quarter pound? It would be illegal to sell any less in most places, not unless they change the name.
Its not just shrinkflation for these mars bars. Its sugar tax to reduce obesity
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Televisions are clearly an exception to this rule and I would like to know why.
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There's also 'Drinkflation', the ABV of beers being reduced. (Maybe it's mostly a UK thing due to the tax system, weaker beer = less tax)

Pretty sad state of things when simple pleasures like beer or chocolate are hit so hard by enshittification.

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They're a 1/10th of a pound now?! In 2009, I worked at McDonalds and they were definitely 1/8th pound patties! Holy moly.
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What the fuck are people doing about it?
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> Shrinkflation is all over. Burger buns at fast food places were more dense 20 years ago. The small burgers had 1/8th pound patties instead of the current 1/10th pound. It's hard to find a product that hasn't gotten worse or more expensive, even adjusted for inflation.

Isn't capitalism great? The common pattern with everything seems to be large companies degrading size, quality, and features of products in user-hostile ways.

IMHO, we need pretty strict regulation specifying standard product sizes and minimum quality. It would kill shrinkflation and also make alternatives more comparable.

On a related note: I recently listened to this (very good) podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hidden-supply-chai..., https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-25/the-hidde...) that stated pretty bluntly that food in the US is also more expensive and lower quality than food in Europe.

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Or just don’t buy shitty mass produced chain products? The non-chain restaurants in my area are significantly better than 30 years ago. So are the breweries. Dive bars have gotten more sparse but the ones still around are better than ever. Food trucks are everywhere and good. Foods more expensive but you can still get a good restaurant cooked meal at 1/2 an hour’s minimum wage.

Like, if you buy garbage in a wrapper you should expect garbage. No one owes you a candy bar that never changes weight. The idea you would want to regulate that level of “what can people trade with each other” is absurd.

> Or just don’t buy shitty mass produced chain products?

You don't have a choice most of the time. You get to pick from the options the manufactures provide. And it's not like the average consumer has infinite time to sort through all the options on every item, as well as misleading manufacturer BS (like shrinkflation).

> The non-chain restaurants in my area are significantly better than 30 years ago. So are the breweries. Dive bars have gotten more sparse but the ones still around are better than ever. Food trucks are everywhere and good. Foods more expensive but you can still get a good restaurant cooked meal at 1/2 an hour’s minimum wage.

Sure, if you're in a fancy urban area you may have lots of options (the podcast cited New York as an example), but that's not true everywhere. It cited this hits hardest in rural areas.

Then there's the situation where you have 5 different options, but they all suck the same way because manufacturers are following the same incentives to screw their customers.

> No one owes you a candy bar that never changes weight. The idea you would want to regulate that level of “what can people trade with each other” is absurd.

I think I am owed a market structure that lets me make decisions with a reasonable amount of effort. Fixing the candy bar weight (for instance) means I can compare on price easily.

And regulating “what can people trade with each other” is not absurd, it happens all the time.

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