Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours
https://twitter.com/MSFT365Status/status/2121079061774491735I’m no fan Outlook and what they’ve done for the world of email, but if they’re Rolls Royce and this outage is an engine failure then that’s an expected level of service?
Or they’re Boeing and this a 787 Max. I’m on the fence.
Also, multiple bankers I'm speaking to about Anthropic's IPO can't send or receive work e-mails. So that's a thing.
BBC is running live coverage of it at the level of government and ministers, feels surreal
I don't expect a fundamental shift but the boss having no access to his mails certainly seems like something I would bring up quite a bit.
Barring corona & year end holidays, this is probably the closest we can get to a global work holiday.
6 hours ago they seemed to not exactly understand what the problem was, and that was 6 hours into the outage.
This is concerning.
I started digging into the historical blog posts, GitHub comments, etc. and I realised everybody at MS who'd been working on them, SWEs, PMs, architects, etc. had either left the company, or moved to other teams. And the one constant about the internal moves was that people were now working in some "AI" related project or product. Literally, I didn't find a single person who wasn't now working on AI.
Clearly, there has been a huge internal push to get into AI. Resources have been reallocated, and anything non-AI related has been starved. And since working on an AI project is probably considered the only route to advancing your career, anybody with any ambition has moved to a team doing something AI-related. The result is that huge numbers of products and teams doing vital but non-AI related work have been hollowed out, and now we're seeing the consequences.
WinUI 3.0, WinAppSDK, and related CsWinRT, C++/WinRT are in a ridiculous position six years after Project Reunion announcement, due to ever meagre resources.
XBox app keeps under delivering user experience, and bugs on patch Tuesdays are getting a joke by now.
All this in a four trillion valued company.
https://gioorgi.com/2020/mail-server-on-docker/ https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver
It is very easy to set up (just a bit of time on average every 6 month to follow upgrades) and work out of the box.
Europe outlook users are experiencing problems too.
Some problems are not solved by individual choice. If 30-40% of your important contacts use service that is down, your ability to work goes down dramatically.
I have currently important 3 daily contacts down they use MS services extensively contacted and said they can't do much of anything because their work process and the process of their contacts is down.
Quick lets collect all options people have to self host! in addition to docker-mailserver im aware of
Other source: This is related to a BGP hijack of at least 87.128.0.0/10 belonging to Deutsche Telekom (AS3320) hijacked by AS212416 (Proximity, Bulgaria) passing through AS57344 (Telehouse EAD, Bulgaria) starting at 0633 UTC today.
The biggest issue has been so many security and approval flows depend on email, so all processes have ground to a halt.
Government I have no idea, but loads of businesses don't use Outlook - alternatives do exist. I've personally not used Outlook for well over a decade now.
Quick google AI mode check says:
- MS 365/Outlook: ~40%
- Google Workspace: ~25%
- Zoho: ~2%
And then a bunch of others - Rackspace, Zimbra, IBM WebSphere Lotus Notes Blue For Enterprise XML Watson Edition et al
See: Stalwart Mail Server: https://stalw.art/ Bulwark Webmail/Groupware: https://bulwarkmail.org/
Microsoft has a moat, but their moat is having billions of dollars to spend on data centers. It's a failure everywhere else. It'll continue to rake in billions in revenue because people need compute now, but it's rotten at the top.
I am looking at other current events and beginning to wonder if there is some kind of correlation.
We're doing anything to avoid single points of failure in our products, but our IT is doing the opposite.
The idea of paying for a backup system, or even having one on standby for situations like this is just not on people's minds, or if it is, it's simply not affordable because it would cost you too much compared to your competition.
Razor thin margins and generally getting away with it is what makes this work. Until it doesn't.
Sure, it makes sense for mission critical companies (utilities, emergency services), but I don't think it does for an average company. Especially that you don't take much blame if everyone is down.
This is not related to this outage, right?
16 hours and nothing...
The final thing we did was photo a QR code with our phones that took us to an Office 365 form to evaluate the course.
I was surprised to see some fields on my form showing values that my course comrades had entered on their phone.
Could the course evaluation have been incorrectly developed and deployed using AI on Office365 by the course developer?
Or was some session state all messed up across parts of Office 365?
I was in a hurry so I decided to come back to check on this form later but now it is just stuck ”Loading…”.
Microsoft imposes all of this shit on the world. Poorly thought out products, buggy crap. Its finally come home to roost.
But even this requires someone high up in the organization to have the insight that reliability requires some level of “inefficiency” — ie retaining certain highly paid staff, duplication of effort, over provisioning of resources, etc.
The irony is that the execs who could make those decisions are convinced that LLM tools obviate those needs, and shift all spare resources in that direction. But without heavy constraints from experienced humans, LLM tools will only multiply the complexity at the root cause of these sorts of outages.
My email is still working, has been solid for moe than a decade. My calander app opened as normal this morning. My chat windows are all alive. My digital life is just normal today... with rather fewer emails in the inbox. DROP MIRCOSOFT. Pick up linux. Pay for a proper email service. There is a larger world out there!
MY University's whole email system is Outlook/365, and that also seems kind of dumb to me.
frog boiling means that many never noticed how big (and therefore unspecialised) microsoft was until it was too deeply integrated
My guess is that having duplicate system would cost (in money for double subscriptions and lost productivity) much more than the benefit of being available 0.01% more. Especially for universities where almost nothing is really urgent and can't be delayed by a day.
Given the nesting of services at MS, the fractious org structure, and the length of service of some of these systems it was already a bit of a tinder-house.
AI just provided the accelerant, and while I don’t work at MS I can imagine they’ve lost some serious tenured talent over the last 5 years. I’d be surprised if anyone is left that actually understands how it’s all glued together.
Or rather, that might be the case before this outage. I suspect the org has relearned a fair bit over the last day.
https://www.centennialsoftwaresolutions.com/help/transcript-...
It's just a wild theory, but maybe there are still too much employees left, standing in the way of AI? I would try firing another 60,000 first.
What could go wrong, said all of the hyperscalers. Enjoy your multi day downtimes.
If it is indeed the case, this might be the first clear "win" for those who have been warning about the dangers having blind faith in AI and of pushing poorly understood code into production.
Hopefully some of their "customers" learn a lesson and switch to a software without this side effect in worst case. There's plenty of alternatives (LibreOffice, OpenOffice, etc.)
Isn't there an old saying about putting all one's eggs into one basket?
It would not surprise me if the entire project is complete and utter (human-written) slop