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Yep, trains had a good run, but highways and automobiles took over. On-prem inference is the automobile.
> but highways and automobiles took over

The reasons for this are complicated and nuanced though.

Governments think they push the financial burden of transport maintenance on the people (and its a good tool to register and control people too, but thats not a strong consideration I wouldn’t wager), so they fervently cut spending on public transport and curtail cycling infrastructure in favour of cars.

But roads themselves operate at a crazy financial loss and are one of the reasons governments are in crazy debt (which nobody wants to acknowledge).

This is because road maintenance is significantly more expensive than building new roads. Which means that road use becomes heavily subsidised (much more than trains cost per user) but the cost of vehicle ownership, despite that heavy subsidy, is still enormous and one of the largest expenses an average person can have.

Cars a tool of state control and not public transport? If the government wants to surveil someone it’s much easier to see exactly where they tapped their card on and off, and if they want to stop people getting somewhere all they need to do is tell the drivers to shut it down rather than set up a bunch of roadblocks.
ANPR is much more effective than trying to track public transport usage, this isn’t even contestable.

Blocking a bus route has a large knock on effect, same for trains, and nobody is taking a bicycle away from you either.

> The reasons for this are complicated and nuanced though.

Is it? People love to have personal sovereignty over their transportation, given the choice.

I don't know why it's treated as an exclusive choice. IMO they complement each other well. Take public transport where convenient, else take the car.
You have to understand that road wear is governed by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

"The fourth power law (also known as the fourth power rule) is a rule of thumb which states that the damage to the road caused by a motor vehicle increases in proportion to the fourth power of its axle load. This law was discovered in the course of a series of scientific experiments in the United States in the late 1950s and was decisive for the development of standard construction methods in road construction."

"Example: Car (total weight 2 tonnes, 2 axles): load per axle: 1 tonnes vs Truck (total weight 30 tonnes, 3 axles): load per axle: 10 tonnes. [...] The resulting damage differential between truck and car is 15,000 to 1"

PS: this is something electric car proponents don't talk much about

The rule you linked to basically shows that whether a car weights 1.5 tonnes or 2 tonnes (an EV version of a car model usually weight about 25-30% more) is completely irrelevant to road damage when you have heavy freight using the road as well. The single 30 tonne truck from the example above gives the equivalent road wear to 15 thousand 2-tonne EV's.
worth noting that many electric cars weigh 2 tons or thereabout, like the car in your example. internal combustion cars tend to be lighter than that
> PS: this is something electric car proponents don't talk much about. In France, we're getting a "car weight tax" too (https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F3...).

I hope trucks transporting fuel for ICEs get equal treatment.

- In Europe the petrol taxes pay for road maintenance. Only electric vehicles operate at a loss.

- Train capacity is much, much higher. You couldn't have the density of France, the Netherlands or even NYC without most people travelling by train. LA struggles with 1/10th of the density.

Europe is a large disparate continent, but I don’t know any country (neither Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Finland or the UK) that covers road maintenance costs with fuel levies.

In fact in the UK you would be forced to aggregate all fuel and road tax and offset it against road maintenance because there is no direct correlation to be made, as tax is “one big bucket”.

The majority of the planet are going from one point of interest to another at a relative constant rate- but yes people are spread further and further- ironically this is helped by requiring huge parking space everywhere anyone needs to go, and needing huge houses so you can park multiple cars outside. Its a self-reinforcing problem.

(This is most evident when comparing cities like Malmö in Sweden with Orlando, FL. Malmö has a higher total population but approximately 1/20th the road surface- yet in Orlando I kept bumping into the same people everywhere I went because we’d all drive to the same Restaurants and Shops; and despite that happening we had to drive 20-25 minutes to get there! Weird coincidence or natural concentration points? Someone smarter than me would have to say).

> in the UK you would be forced to aggregate all fuel and road tax

Just to be clear, there's no specific "road tax" in the UK - it was abolished in 1937. Instead general taxation (e.g. income tax) pays for roads.

Your point about places becoming further apart has been made by Cory Doctorow who refers to it as "geometry hates cars".

Edit: found the Cory link - you might find it interesting, but I suspect it's detailing what you already know

https://thewaroncars.org/transcript-episode-79-the-end-of-ub...

> Just to be clear, there's no specific "road tax" in the UK - it was abolished in 1937.

While this is _technically_ correct, most powered vehicles on UK roads have to pay Vehicle Excise Duty, which is popularly known as "road tax".

And is a totally different thing, and doesn't fund the roads.
The "road tax" misconception is why I feel the need to point it out as it is inaccurate and is used to weaponise hate against cyclists (e.g. "Don't bloody pay road tax"). In reality, most cyclists also drive (not me, though), but everyone who pays income tax is funding the roads which I agree with as they are shared infrastructure. However, it does mean that drivers are being subsidised by non-drivers.

Of course, with the 4th power weight relationship with road damage, ordinary cars are not really causing much damage compared to buses and trucks, so maybe it's better to state that we're subsidising logistics companies.

> Its a self-reinforcing problem.

Problem? It is THE BEST solution we have. Any suggested alternatives are worse and less convenient.

I can cycle anywhere in my city in 15 minutes- and anyone else can too.

Yes, it gets cold in the winter in Sweden- and I sometimes have to wear rainware. But the lack of noise, huge highways and being able to walk if necessary is such a crazy feeling of freedom that you can't possibly imagine.

I literally mean, you cannot imagine.

Being able to drink a beer, and then walk with a friend in the evening with my bike in hand, being able to park anywhere at any time, and being able to replace/fix my bike with no money (or, even buy a new bike without crazy paperwork or registration or licensing for my ability to drive it).

Not having anxiety about paying for parking, fuel or ensuring that I have a place to park, not to mention the lack of abusive road-rage folks.

I've lived in other places, and I've visited supposed "car-utopias" where everything is built to "great" standards and honestly the quality of life is just many orders of magnitude inferior. I've never been to the US and stayed in a nice quiet house without it being 30 minutes drive (in stop/start traffic and with aggressive drivers who cut you off) from anything of any value.

So, no, it's not the best option. It's the best option you can think of.

> I've never been to the US and stayed in a nice quiet house without it being 30 minutes drive from anything of any value.

I'm in Canada, not the US, so maybe it's slightly different. But where I live seems quiet. Comparable to the country at worst, where I lived on a through-road to a beach. It's a suburb but I could walk to a grocery store in like 10 minutes, if that counts as something of value.

> in stop/start traffic and with aggressive drivers who cut you off

The stop and go can be bad during rush-hour near major highways, true. But aggressive drivers sounds like a one off bad experience, or lack of experience driving. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but they're an exception not the norm.

> So, no, it's not the best option. It's the best option you can think of.

I'd argue a general solution is better than one that only works for some people.

I wouldn't consider a 25 minute commute while being exposed to freezing rain or heatstroke weather to be the best in any way.

Before I could afford to live in the city, I had A 40 minute commute when the roads weren't closed from snow. That's basically impossible on a bike.

In germoney, IF i remember correctly, it is supposed to be like that. Seeing the state of the overall..well..corruption of autobahn bridges, roads and the "private" company governing it seems like its either not enough or the bucket has holes OR the money goes elsewhere. Pensions maybe, maybe gas power stations, who knows?
Highways are also heavily state subsidized.
Yep, that's part of why I think the analogy works.
Everything is heavily subsidized by socializing the losses and deflation of buying power for the average person.

Corporations demanding payment for everything at whatever margin they want is little different than taxation without representation and local cops shaking people down for money at random; just different legal semantics

The representation is you yourself by voting with where your money goes. At least in a market with competition.

Without competition you are talking about a monopoly and it is your government that is responsible for mitigating its effects. The government that you elected.

The mechanisms are all there, they just need to be used+embraced.

Yeah I know how the American civil religion gospel goes; don't patronize

There is inherently competition with entropy and just getting ourselves out of bed to deal with everything

Corporations and brands and tax codes are just culture war distractions on top of the raw physical competition; middle ages like words of power

The competition is with the physics that binds us to Earth; does it? Or are we just to distracted by rhetorical competition between legal constructs to embrace the levers of science

Rhetorical competition wrt to markets type blather is only seeking internal consistency with an arbitrary rhetorical framework. Not pushing the boundaries of engineering based on science.

Yall can have AI agents simulate Bloomberg terminals so actual physical scientists can focus on the necessities ground truth work you take for granted

Not even the US, the country that was the most crazed about highways and car infrastructure in the 20th century, demolished its railways - the cargo proposition is just too objectively good. Semi trucks will never have the unparalleled efficiency of strapping many hundreds of tons of cargo behind a locomotive and moving it on rails, both because of their size and because rubber on asphalt is just less efficient.

Passenger rail also makes sense because the same economies of scale can help drive the prices down, and with enough coverage you get enough freedom of movement for 95% of people, with cars and other road transit bridging the last mile. Lots of countries do this very successfully, it's just not a glamorous business.

> but highways and automobiles took over

Specifically because of massive government investment in road infrastructure in preference of railways. This would be about like the government deciding to funds DCs directly...

This is an analogy worthy of LinkedIn.