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Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

https://dronexl.co/2026/06/09/pokemon-go-scans-niantic-vantor-military-drone-navigation/
As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?).

The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD.

This is mostly an ideological battle.

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Even the Pokémon Go world model headlines were stretching the reality of what the model captured.

If you’ve played the game, the scanning function is only for what they call Pokestops: These are points of interest that you can walk to and get items in the game. The game gives you points if you walk in a circle around one and take a short video.

They’re relatively sparse. At most, they captured some 3D models of some things like signs, small landmarks (up close) and the fronts of some buildings.

The images captured by something like Google Maps are a million times more useful for someone trying to construct a world model with a lot of coverage. The Pokémon Go captures would be useful if you wanted something like a detailed 3D scan of the sign in front the student building or something.

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> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver.

Currently active theaters. And now there are detailed locations of our cities. We might not get killbots today but we will get pacificationbots.

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> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?).

But presumably the images/models at ground level can be used to train/improve the general performance of Vantor's aerial (satelite based) navigation system so it works better elsewhere?

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> overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone-driven Theaters of War would be a tiny sliver

Is Pokémon Go not played in the Middle East, India, Taiwan, Korea or Japan?

Which of those are active theaters of war? Pokemon Go wasn't that big in Iran or Lebanon and even there, there aren't any reports of significant drones deployed there.

The only place I can imagine is maybe Ukrainian drones in Russia. Still, not a tonne of data there to be useful (as compared to say Tokyo or New York).

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or ukraine or russia, and ofc people in africa dont have phones or internet -_-.

ofc going by the entire surface of the earth its not a lot of places, but i would never call such a thing statistically insignificant..

Pretty sure Pokemon Go and Ingress was played in Kiev long before the war
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As a Pokemon go player, I would say it isn't.

There's even a Pokemon exclusive to the middle east region: sandstorm pattern Vivillion. Lots of players there.

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> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?).

For now.

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i thought Maxar was mostly 3d images based on satellite inference. 1/2 of a pixel difference in a morning vs. noon vs. night sat photo can determine shadow and therefore height, etc. etc.

rapid 3d modeling of topography and cityscapes + supplementation with other data, e.g. pokemon. But ultimately that's supplementation, not the main effort.

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This is a massively weak argument. It's like its own strawman, one does not see this often, lol.

If you train a soldier in the US, is he unable to do those things outside the US?

So by this conclusion we can assume, that these drones will be somewhere else. Somewhere in heavily populated areas right?
It's not like there's a moral high ground about not collaborating with the military. Unless you want to advantage America's adversaries, namely China, Putin's Russia and Iran's current regime. There's always this implicit, sometimes explicit, "war bad" childish political philosophy in posts like this. In reality war is a given and you have to be prepared to have the upper hand.
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If you are looking for something to channel that energy into, you could help improve open street map using streetcomplete: https://streetcomplete.app/
I assumed that in urban USA the map would be fairly complete and opportunities for edits would be somewhat rare. My assumption was very wrong. The app showed a dozen quests just outside of my office building. Thanks for suggesting it!
There’s always things to improve or to add. Road surfaces, benches, trash bins, table tennis spots, etc. StreetComplete on Android helps make some common tasks really easy to do.
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Surely military drones will use OpenStreetMap data? Even the Russians and Iranians can use it for whatever purpose they like.
Yes. Just like editing wikipedia will help train models that are used for data classification in north korea or whatever.

It's a feature of open data, it's open and usable by anyone.

... for any purpose.
Yes. Or you can license it for specific purposes. But in general open data refers to data that is open to use by anyone, for any purpose, without restrictions except in some cases attribution.
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Yes, there other mobile editor that are arguably more featured (EveryDoor, OSM Go, OsmAnd), but StreetComplete has a nice gamification / simplification of UI that makes editing a breeze.

MapComplete is a nice alternative if you care about some part of the map that are not easily filterable by StreetComplethttps://mapcomplete.org/

StreetComplete is a top app.
How can I channel my energy into preventing my data from being used for military purposes?
I stopped scanning pokestops because the effort has outweighed the rewards. A lot of the time, the requests show up as "research tasks" for a point of interest that I quickly passed by and have no interest in returning to, besides the tasks related to taking pictures of your buddy pokemon in augmented reality. Looks like I made the right choice by stopping. They do indicate to you up front that they will use the data, but it's still kind of terrible that you could be indirectly contributing to war efforts. I always assumed the data would be used for large world model training or simulations.
> I always assumed the data would be used for large world model training or simulations.

That was the initial objective, improving navigation by having people walk slowly on pedestrian accessible locations instead of only the main roads. But once that data is collated, it could go anywhere and you've signed any rights to what happens with it away when you agreed to the Ts & Cs.

The closest stop to me is between a dog park and a school - scanning it would have been an awkward situation, to say the least. And as you said, for rewards that aren't worth it. I got used to having that "Scan" task just sitting at the top of my list, never to be touched. But I noticed earlier this week that it's gone - and scanning stops doesn't give a new scan task.
That's what makes this feel so off
My 8 year old LOVES Pokemon Go, and we regularly go to a local meet up which is a fascinating microcosm of people of all ages from all walks of life. We’ve met some great people and had some incredible conversations, but I really struggle to see how we can continue in good faith now.

I seriously loath, hate & despise everything about this digital panopticon world being constructed around us.

The data isn't guns though. Guns aren't a dual use technology that have a nonviolent purpose. Data is. The same data that trains military drones can also be used to train the robot that will bring food to grandma when she's so old that she can't walk up the stairs anymore.
They don't have equal weight.

Even 100s of yummy grandma-cheeseburgers is not worth feeding private data brokers detailed maps of our own communities.

Nowadays some of them are just as likely to sell the data to the other side.

Nowadays the other side may get access to them without us even knowing.

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Shooting guns for target practice is fun and non violent.

Guns feed families and protect people too.

They are dual use like all tech from knives to nukes.

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I bet the targets don't feel like they're non-violent. The animal that was killed for food doesn't think anything, because it's dead. That's pretty violent. Shooting someone that attacking you in defense was necessary, but it's definitely violent.

All uses of guns are violent. That's what they do. They make holes in things that didn't have holes in them before. There are uses for them that are justified but they're always violent. This isn't an anti-gun screed, this is a words-mean-things rant. Violence is necessary and justified in various situations, which means guns are necessary and justified in various situations, but if you're going to say they're not violent, I can't agree.

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I believe some of the data was added to their scaniverse app.

I guess this also explains how they were paying for the free 3d model photogrammetry processing that app does.

This article is based on reporting from Trouw: https://www.trouw.nl/redactie/PokemonGo/

I was interviewed for the Trouw piece and briefly quoted. This isn't to detract from the DroneXL piece, which adds its own angle.

Based on the prose of the DroneXL piece, I think it would be more accurate to say that Claude adds its own angle.
Please tell them that 'als Elon Musk zijn starlink uitzet, iedereen de weg kwijt is' incorrect is. GPS is managed by the USA gov and we have our Galileo-alternative
This shouldn't be a surprise. But at this point it feels like if you don't completely avoid participating in digital society, your data will be used against you or groups/countries you support.
Mainly if you allow a government and / or corporations to do so, but unfortunately democracy and the like only gives you so much influence on that.
Sadly non technical people do not see future risk and any warning prediction is a slippery slope fallacy. Yet we now hear the echo of privacy advocates of the 2000s and 2010s saying "I told you so!"
Agreed. If it's "digital", it will be used for elite power plays, because it's too easy. How else could you mass control/analyse/manipulate millions of people instantly? Digital, digital, digital...
Kids training drones that will kill other kids.

There is a level of evilness on that difficult to grasp. What kind of society puts that burthen on their own children?

Inequality has given power to the few deranged and depraved. No ethics, no morality, just self gratification and excess.

Or maybe kill themselves, since most scans are from the cities they live in.
Shit. I guess that it can always be worse.
In the conservative worldview, competition is fair dinkem, so the setting for these businesses is just. That's how we got here.

Also in that worldview, we have the responsibility to defend innocent children. Let's if they can follow their own moral code and outlaw this surveillance to protect our kids.

There seems to be low-hanging political fruit here.

Governments have a say on to whom their weapons manufacturers sell weapons. It should be ditto for geospatial intelligence. If you want to map geospatial data in the Netherlands, you get a license from them and store the data locally and have to get permission to exfiltrate.

This won’t stop exfiltration, of course. But it should slow it down, which in the world of geospatial intel, could mean the difference between a drone finding its target and getting lost because of new construction.

An interesting thing is that in Russia, this military data grab by ostensibly 'our western would-be enemies" was supported by viral advertisement by nobody else but the head of Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill.

A story was manufactured about arresting a 22 y.o. guy in the Church on Blood in Honour of All Saints for playing Pokemon Go.

The story went hyper-hyped for weeks, with general public sentiment that once such an obscurant retrograde declares such an innocent game so evil, it must be something to absolutely install and play in spite!

And such was the way of the Pokemon Go's viral success in Russia.

(edits for factual precision)

Apparently that story was manufactured and promoted by someone else, don't you think?
Sure, I don't expect Kirill himself to come up with that, but he was positively used as a notorious talking head, which whatever it says must be understood to the contrary.

Like in that case when he blamed the rise of toll roads in Russia - "oh brothers and sisters, shalt we allow taking the toll on what should forever be free in Russia?" - the public reacted in the exact same way - a religious zealot told this, so it must actually be a progressive, sane thing to do the opposite.

Streisand effect marketing 4d chess move by Niantic?
I'd say a common sense "cui prodest" inquiry leads to a much simpler answer, but to each his own.
I'd like to know that much simpler answer.
Or by a three-letters-agency...
Interesting: the Russians are calling "our partners", "our would-be enemies" now. They're not even pretending anymore. Given that this steady parade of seemingly-planted and promoted derogatory anti-Western stories that has been happening for years originates from You Know Where, it's a revelation that the Russian establishment and secret services are not even pretending anymore.

It should also be pointed out that Kirill and the Russian Orthodox Church have been understood to have been cat's paws for Russia's notorious KGB successor agencies for a very long time now.

All very true, and an important point about ROC/KGB ties, but

> the Russians are calling "our partners", "our would-be enemies" now.

is a total wind vane which can flip 180° in a matter of days (if not minutes, as in Orwell's scene where they seamlessly switch from being at war with Eurasia to that with Eastasia)...

Come on, Russian "страна наиболее вероятного противника" (the country of the most likely enemy) was always the military name of the US since the Cold War. Now used in military texts and also as a sarcastic cliché
Moreover, it's adversary, not enemy.
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I still feel like this is a perfect example of why we should be asking for our data to be disclosed to the public. If I take a picture of some public point of interest, they end up tagging it with their metadata and selling it, well, that's what I agreed to by not reading 20 pages of T&C's right?

But the value in that data is in the liveliness right, so at some point, would it not make sense for that data to be considered a public asset?

Why do we not demand this data be released regularly (given that the inverse tech could be developed using this as well)? If it can be used to train things used for war, could it not equally be used to train better lifesaving tech (in which case, the data should be made available to the public)?

It's quite obvious that data is what pays the game. A lot of data about the players )daily routine, commute to work/school, social circles to other players, etc. which allows to derive Job, wealth, etc.), data about surroundings (where do people actually walk, drive, ... etc.)

The story here however I'm not too sure about: Isn't the game mostly played in dense urban areas? - by the time you need military drones there the area will have changed a lot (destruction, fortification, ... and overall be outdated) where I think the civilian drones (delivery, cars, ....) benefit more. While the technology certainly is dual use.

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> While the technology certainly is dual use.

It's dual, but its positive aspects are only unlocked after a sufficient human blood sacrifice is made by its overlords, as is the case with all dual use tech.

No it's not. How does 3D printing; what blood sacrifice happened with 3d printers before they were unleashed upon the world? Hard to prove for encryption, though that one's antediluvian. Drones were around and toys for quite a while before they ever killed anyone.
You can ask for whatever you like - nobody's listening.

There is no 'we'. 99%+ of people view the world as a zero sum game where for me to win, somebody has to lose and if I don't do whatever it takes, somebody else will and then I lose, therefore I have no morals or principles or virtues and anyone who does is a liar or a fool.

Everything is a bad faith act, everyone is a selfish bad faith actor and I shouldn't feel bad about being one because everyone else who isn't a fool is too.

This tragically wrong but intuitively correct worldview and much more was explained by Plato long, long ago and just about no one understood any of it. At least the text survived and people with 140+ IQ and an iota of decency can read it and be at peace knowing they're not crazy or foolish.

The world is so messed up right now that this is not even the least bit surprising. In fact it's on point.
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This is revolting. Given how many kids played and are still playing the game this literally means weaponizing kids playing games. Humanity has been lost somewhere along the way.
Humanity hasn’t been lost, it’s been conquered.

Enter AI, a new era of soulless wonder.

Intelligentia Artificiosa.

Ingenium Artificum.

— Dreams of Silicon and Sorrow

What's the AI component here? Pokemon Go dates back to 2016, and there was Ingress before that. Hell, there was Foursquare before Ingress. Strava/similar has leaked military bases' layouts. All of that predates ChatGPT.
Ingress still exists and has a similar scanning mechanism.
> Hanke formed Niantic Labs inside Google in 2010, then spun it out in 2015.

Spyware company spawns a new spyware company.

I'm glad I always quickly scanned the dirt. At some point I gave up completely when I heard they started banning people for dirt scans.

In the latest season they've gotten rid of the scan rewards, so I guess they got all the data they needed.

I worked at a VPS competitor of niantic.

I am conflicted on this report.

1) VPS is not new, the startup I worked at had a working public system in 2018.

2) The hard part about VPSs is not actually the navigation, its generating and querying the map.

How does the VPS work?

You build a point cloud of features (for us we paid people to go and record videos in cities, Tesla/Waymo/toyata/google drove cars niantic got it's players to take videos/pictures)

Align that point cloud to the 3d world, store it in a way that can be queried quickly (doing that quickly and at scale is still an area of research)

Then your client needs to extract the keypoints from an image and perform triangulation against the map to see where the camera was taken (There are calibration issues, but we ain't got time for that)

Now.

Niantic, from what I can see (and its been a while) has a database of key landmarks, but not of the areas inbetween. For decent navigation I would say that this is a massive problem.

I know niantic are pushing the whole "spatial world model" but frankly I don't think that scales. They stuff they have released is memorybound in vGPUs which isn't that useful for realtime querying.

I strongly suspect that actually they have a different system, much more traditional along the lines of colmap, or hloc, or something with a feedforward model in it.

However for the drone usercase, what you actually want is SLAM, which is a very different problem. for SLAM you need to build the map whilst your are moving, and then try and do loop closure or some other method to stop drift. Once you've gone there and back you can use that model for relocaliosation.

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Pokémon being used for war efforts is prime South Park material, too bad they already did that.
A game aimed at children supporting military intelligence is prime cyberpunk material. No doubt fiction beat us to that as well.
Sure did.. it’s called Ender’s Game (Orson Scott Card).
And before that, The Last Starfighter
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i remerber china bans it many years ago... and many people dont understand why.... never trust a USA product!

and we even have youtube videos like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiJOHV9rIxU

I don’t think the standing committee is objectively that perceptive

But I do appreciate alot about what they are doing and choose to do

Reminds me more of a theme park. Yes, a heavy handed corporation runs it and if you have any dissent it won’t go well, but if you don’t choose to focus on that then it will be a joyous place and you have the opportunity to contribute to that energy and be rewarded by something that simulates a free market

China has the largest intelligence programme in the world and likely has whole teams of people whose job it is to build this type of data. It's not surprising that they are cagey about it being hoovered up by other countries.
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It is even worse, tax money is used for the military.
I know it's sarcasm, it's a valid point. We all already contribute to the war efforts of our governments.
Of our own governments. Which makes sense, under the assumption that having a military is a necessary evil, how else would they be funded?

This is about players all over the world contributing scans of their own countries to US military, though.

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Russia is already taking advantage of preloaded terrain imagery, according to the article:

The principle is already turning up on the other side of the front, where a downed Russian drone was found matching live camera feeds against preloaded terrain imagery rather than trusting a single GPS module.

https://dronexl.co/2025/06/10/russian-ai-drone-nvidia-sony-u...

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How useful is spatial data over time, does it decay or age much?

Is the geographical data more useful, or are buildings and other structures more important?

Genuinely don't know much in this space.

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It's easier to take a look via change of dates in google street view, they have almost 20 years coverage. You can see how the data ages and decays or doesn't because it's tied to the place it represents.

Shops come and go, churches do not move, schools tend not to move much, industry areas is somewhat dynamic, military installations might be static or dynamic, trees grow or are removed.

It's the combination of geographical data (maps) linked to its visual representation in the world (footage of structures, roads, landscape features) that is useful.

The geographical data already exists in digital maps. And I would expect competent militaries already have maps of enemy territory. It's the second part that was so far missing.

This combined set allows the training of AI models that can say, "When my surroundings look like x, that looks like y on a map".

So when your drone's GPS gets jammed, it can look at its surroundings, reference its (internal and offline) maps, figure out where it is, and navigate.

Compred to what? Datasets at this scale are rare. You're not comparing against another ideal dataset, you're comparing against having nothing.
There are so many companies these days doing recording for self driving cars and/or street view like applications. Also sites like Flickr collect huge sets of geo tagged photos, as do companies like Meta where tons of geo tagged images are shared each day via their different outlets.

Niantic has the benefit that they can steer "volunteers" to specific points, though.

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I don't what class of models they use here, specifically, but a generic classifier shouldn't depend on a single feature. And neighbourhoods don't typically get razed or remodeled/painted over in a fortnight.

... Except, well, when it's the doing of this same, so called "defence" industry.

The moral question is if you've unknowingly contributed to war, death and destruction, or if you are actually helping drones to accurately find real targets – which hopefully are not innocent civilians but legitimate military targets.
At this point is there really a difference between death and destruction and "legitimate" military target? It's a slippery slope
The depravity of using a fun, uplifting game that targets kids and teenagers to train military drones boggles my mind. "The end justifies the means" continues to reign supreme
One of the reasons I stopped playing Pokémon GO.

Anyone who checked the origins of the company knew where this was going to go. Your data for sale.

There were already questions about what they were doing with the data of their prior game in the security and privacy space prior to Pokémon.

Reminds me of that sci-fi short film where kids are playing a VR game controlling virtual avatars looking for and shooting virtual enemies, while in the real world, unbeknownst to them, they are actually piloting robots that are hunting down and killing dissidents.
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If I were a (potentially) hostile foreign power, I'd use a game to enlist people in the target country to record sensitive locations.
I'm not sure this is a real problem. Google/Apple already has the world mapped out thanks to our photos in the cloud, and we literally let Tesla and others drive cars everywhere recording everything.

Pokemon Go does not really incentivises this activity. We get a poffin... Nice to have but does not worth the hassle of scanning and looking stupid on the street.

Once the data has trained a model, it also becomes almost impossible to meaningfully audit or undo
If the article's description evoked applications like old missile guidance system methods based on geographic features... this Wikipedia screenshot's imagery looks like it would also be good for precision drone attacks against urban small civilian structures and select individuals within/around them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Go#/media/File:Po...

Wartime propaganda poster: "Loose Surveillance Capitalism Children's Game Apps Sink Your Own Darn City, to an AI autonomous drone swarm assault that surgically neutralizes whatever the worst people want to neutralize".

AI, please rework that into a catchier slogan, and render it as a printable US WW2 OPSEC poster style PDF, but without storing my prompt and-- Hey, what's that buzzing soun--

August 2016: Iran Becomes First Country to Ban Pokémon GO

https://www.avclub.com/iran-becomes-first-country-to-ban-pok...

Really smart decision, in hindsight.

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classic use case for gamification.

every time I see any startup run "games" on some aspect of daily life, it's going to go into killer robots in the end.

"We shouldn't have maps because you can use them in war." seems like a wrong way to look at this problem.
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Where are all the edgelords sending me cuckoo signs and tagging me as conspiracy theorist when I said that it compiles photogrammetry by placing pokemons at areas and angles with low image coverage?

Ah, oh yes, "we all knew it from the start", "they indicated that up front" etc.

Fuck no, everyone was foaming at the mouth how it's just a game and no way in hell an intelligence operation.

P.S. Those who "knew it from the start" yet continued helping Niantic, did you really think that the data will be used for the greater good of the humankind?

> it compiles photogrammetry by placing pokemons at areas and angles with low image coverage

But that's not what happened. The data came from very explicit scanning tasks centered about pokestops, not the AR pokemon capture. I used it once or twice to test it out, and it was a drawn out process where it asks you to slowly orbit the pokestop while filming, then permission to upload the (huge) files. You even had to activate a special "volunteer" account flag to even see these tasks.

From TFA:

> Since 2021, Pokémon Go has asked players to record short videos of real-world locations, called Pokéstops, to earn extra in-game items. Scanning all the buildings, streets, and trees in a 360-degree sweep was optional, and Niantic asked separately for permission to keep the footage. Granting it meant agreeing to extra terms.

I'm sure they used GPS data from the players too, but I still hold that it's unlikely the AR pokemon capture yielded any data to them.

Well if such a conspiracy crackhead like me somehow happened to reach ranks of Niantic team, I'd totally make sure that there is a decoy "huge data upload point with explicit consent" to shift focus from covert data channels that slowly transmit all else using some custom image compression, maybe just some very small fraction of original data that by the mass nature of acquisition would mathematically still reconstruct the original data, or the fraction of that data that is enough to build a world model.
Videos are inherently large. There are better compression algorithms than what phone cameras generate by default, but video reencoding is slow, and the results still too large for "covert data channels".

Normal players would have noticed the bandwidth and CPU usage, and volunteers have already agreed to data sharing, so there's no point in keeping secrets. Same as claims that the Facebook app listens to people talk: someone would have caught it by now.

Also, AR capture was never very popular, mostly a gimmick for new players. The game was already a battery and power hog even without it.

Why videos though? Photogrammetry is about still images. You don't need ALL angles of a target from a single user. Other users pile the needed data up, guided by their own pokemon locations.
and photogrammetry from crowd-sourced disparate still images was the biggest, flashiest "public" display of the technology: https://www.ted.com/talks/blaise_aguera_y_arcas_how_photosyn...
Good point, maybe that could be done. But that's not what TFA is about, so you're not vindicated yet.
Yeah and for niantic to achieve good photogrammetry with their random collection of photos taken from different angles, on different days, etc they would need some kind of ground truth to train on, which is implausible. You'd need to collect a parallel dataset of high-quality videos for traditional photogrammetry and .. hang on.
I don't understand why you insist on videos.

I was able to create a full 3d model of my window plant almost free of obscured areas from a few dozens still photos taken all around it, back in 2018, using the Capturing Reality photogrammetry app on a mobile i7-3610QM CPU with 8Gb RAM, in about 40-60 minutes.

And that's pretty mundane general public software, do we know for sure which algorithms are used by Niantic?

> and for niantic to achieve good photogrammetry with their random collection of photos taken from different angles, on different days, etc they would need some kind of ground truth to train on, which is implausible.

I'd say... the versatility of photos provides the "ground truth" on its own when combined to one single dataset. Say you want to program a guided drone shooting through urban areas, you want it to work under all sorts of conditions - day, night, rain, snow, the sun visible from all possible angles and throwing shadows.

A dataset that you can get from something like Street View? You can at best generate that once a year at enormous expense. Still valuable because a Street View car likely has a multitude of highest-quality GNSS receivers and possibly RTK navigation aids, but to make the dataset usable for 24/7/365 navigation you absolutely need a huge, huge amount of backfill.

From Room 641A to Snowden, the speed with which the narrative shifts from "that's conspiracy nonsense" to "we knew it all along" is neck-snapping.

Every. Single. Time.

This is all for your security! Right? Right…?
Incredible how Nintendo is okay with this
>Jeroen van den Hoven, a professor of ethics and technology at TU Delft

>Van den Hoven did not condemn battlefield VPS outright. If it helps Ukraine win a just war against an aggressor, he said, that is a good development. His worry is the system falling into the wrong hands

The professor is quite flexible with his "ethics"

That was the conspiracy story about pokemon go when it first came out! That it will be used by the military!
Nvidia wants to create a digital twin of the real world that military can use to plan their next military operations. All of those scans of cities and inside buildings will be a virtual world where war makers can plan to a very fine detail how their drones will behave.
These fools are compromised by nation states and the data isn’t just in their hands. This is why you shouldn’t collect certain types of data.
This is fitting/perfect. Pokemon go is THE archetypical surveillance capitalism app. Be a drone in surveillance capitalism, know that your behavior will be used like this. Drones generally don't know or care though. Drones just have fun with tech yay fun awesome. Pokemon, gotta catch them all!!
And here I am, trying to make our product as privacy friendly as possible. Trying to follow GDPR and the AI act. Trying to respect my users..

And then there are those guys... and they make billions, by giving a flying f*ck about ethics or what so ever. And NO ONE will hold them accountable. NO ONE! Because either they lack the power, or they are bought and in it on the scheme.

I accept that the world is like that. Just like International Law has always been nothing more than an academic exercise, business doesnt care about anyone besides profit. Its fine. Its just sad also...

I keep being negative about Digital Tech in general[1]. But this is worse than my habitual negativity towards D. Tech sans AI (AI is a whole chapter onto itself).

And what can be done? The comments usually say a big fat nothing.

- Any fool already knew this comments: “shouldn’t be a surprise”

- I guess I should call my representative comments

- Just boycot tech comments

Usually nothing much actionable. Building the Ad/Surveillance/Privacy Invasion society? Very actionable, good pay, many mouths fed and FIRE accomplished by HN posters. There’s even at least one acronym for this life achievement.

Shoutout to digital activists that are doing something. I’m but an armchair complainer on this front.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48480840

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Complaints in this thread, yet no one will boycott Nintendo for doing this. Ultimately, they allowed this data to be collected and then sold.
Truly dystopian. The Pokémon Company should share the blame for licensing their brand in this way without proper safeguards to prevent the data being used for this, particularly given the background of the Niantic founders
Can you imagine scanning your house, your school, your playground, thinking you're catching Pikachu, then have a drone hit it based on your own footage? Pretty terrifying.
Maybe Nintendo lawyers could show their skin for a good cause at once.
Do you really think Niantic didn't make sure their actual partners didn't agree to their business model?
If there is enough retaliation that Ninendo is connected for using kids to build war machines, I am sure things can change.
Indeed, but should we always assume data of any type we generate for services can be used for malicious means?
To an extent, but realistically it wasn't really reasonable to expect a cutesy Pokemon game to be used for this ten years later. If you had told the average Pokemon Go player this ten years ago you would have been called crazy. The Pokemon Company should have done more to protect their brand (I would hope for regulation too on player-generated real world data like this)
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I think this is where brand licensing gets more complicated than it usually appears
Niantic is what happens when a boardroom is somehow more evil than the ridiculous caricatures we sometimes see in Hollywood. “Alright gentlemen: we need to make a lot of money quickly harvesting every drop of data from kids and adults alike en masse using something they all love that is family-friendly. We are selling it to the military of course, because they’ll pay us tons of money for it. Who’s in?”
Much like Skype and Zoom were quietly used to train up fake versions of human beings.
I’m so torn between naked admiration for the sheer Machiavellian audacity of this play, and discomfort with how vulnerable everyone is to this kind of creative abuse.
Whose to say that this wasn't the plan all along?
Watch Dogs: Legion
> The games went to a Saudi sovereign wealth fund. The map went to defense.

The map went to offense. Nobody needs scans of someone else's country for "defense".

At this point it's a given that any data source that can bring an edge in a conflict is being used for exactly that. Things that film and scan surroundings are the newest addition. When a fleet of cars is taking cm or mm resolution scans of entire cities or even countries the safe assumption is that the data is funneled for intelligence and military purposes.

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You should assume any camera recording will turn into a model one way or another, if not for gnss denied navigation, it will be on facial recognition or such.
Niantics founder has CIA roots... None of this is surprising.

https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/302386307352562

AFAIR, there is a chain of companies which connects Niantic to govt agencies, they were selling this data to Uncle Sam from the beginning(even before Pokemon GO)
> Niantics founder has CIA roots

This is not at all an honest way of saying "Niantics founder raised money from In-Q-Tel"

Being founded with funding from the CIA's venture capital arm seems tantamount to "CIA roots"
> Being founded with funding from the CIA's venture capital arm seems tantamount to "CIA roots"

For the company, it’s a stretch but tenable. Saying the “founder has CIA roots” solely because they took an In-Q-Tel cheque is just wrong.

Yes, it would not be unreasonable to say that funding originating from In-Q-Tel has "CIA roots".

If someone claimed to have a CIA background solely on the basis that In-Q-Tel funded their mapping software, they'd be a charlatan. Just as a guy selling toilet paper to the CIA is not necessarily someone embedded in the intelligence community.

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everything sucks :(
This is one of the most dystopian things I've heard in a long while.

I mean, we have a lot of weird shit going down right now... like AI being used to automate art BEFORE it's being used to automate dangerous and menial jobs, but knowing that people are being killed with help from data generated by millions of kids and young adults playing a fun, cute videogame is just so freaking dark and weird.

We are a very strange species and I don't have a great deal of hope for our future.

Zoom was free for a reason. The audiovisuals harvested during lockdown were used to help produce the fake videos/simulations of humans we are seeing today.

Same mentality.

"If something is free, you are the product."
Nowadays you are the product regardless of how much you are paying.

Pokémon Go can be pretty expensive with micro-transactions.

upon seeing the title i was only wondering - whose drones.
"Gotta... Kill em all?"
Hate to say I called this years ago....

It is a shameful use of tech.

To those who were playing Pokemon Go ten years ago.

Thanks for playing. (You got played)

Insane.

People literally traded military intelligence for Pokémon.

Turns out intelligence gathering is pretty boring routine work, not Bond-esque spy stuff or stakeouts in camo nets and face paint.
In 2016 this wasn’t obviously happening/common knowledge. Remember to blame the perpetrators, not the victims.
In Russia people who warned about it were mocked as paranoid boomers. Today I wonder how many of them were paid or just encouraged to do the mocking.
Huh? You still don't know how this works, do you?

I mean, you can blame whoever you want, even Pikachu. Neither Niantic nor even one person cares who you blame.

Funny how "conspiracy theorists" were once again right
Sentiment here is blowing this waaay out of proportion. It's not new technology, and its not particularly scary or dystopian.
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