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I wonder if the new drug of choice is actually technology. In some ways I think that the addiction to technology has some similar mellowing effects as drugs. Some research indicates that smartphone addiction is also related to low self-esteem and avoidant attachment [1] and that smartphones can become an object of attachment [2]. The replacement of drugs by technology is not surprising as it significantly strengthens technological development especially as it is already well past the point of diminishing returns for improving every day life.

1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S07475...

2. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S07475...

I fear the (negative) impact of our current technological drugs goes beyond the impact of traditional drugs.

I’ve seen kids not even 3-4 years old already hooked to smartphone screens. Even toddlers around 1 year old with an smartphone mount in their stroller.

Main impact on kids is lack of socialization, lack of emotional regulation and a complete impact on their capabilities to keep their attention. Those used to be indicators for a future failed adulthood.

I remember traditional drugs only becoming present around 14-16 years old. Alcohol was probably the most prevalent, and probably the most dangerous. Followed by Cannabis, tobacco and some recreational drugs like MDMA.

Most of those drugs had a component that actually pushed kids heavily towards socialization and forming peer groups. Now looking back to the results of that drug consumption I would say that most of the individuals engaging on them were able to regulate and continue to what it seems to be a very normal adult life. Obviously tobacco with terrible potential future health effects, but beyond that, everyone I know turned up pretty healthy. Not only that, I remember some time later that the most experimental group (mdma, LSD, mushrooms) of drug users being full of people with Master Degrees and PhDs.

The new technological drugs scare me way more than the old traditional ones. Obviously it is a normal response of the known va unknown. Time will tell.

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Suddenly I remember this movie from the 90s where people drugged themself with some kind of minidisc. “Strange Days”, maybe? Anyhow, I always found the plot weird, but maybe they actually were onto something…
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Offhand the only drug-like thing I remember from that series is the nutrition bars that had 0 calories that most of the school got addicted to. Or maybe the cheerleader that got bee pheromones and started controlling the rest of the students.

Aside - I just learned a month ago that there's an official followup miniseries that brought back several of the original actors, titled "Echoes", with hopefully more coming since it's called Season 1. Came out over 2022-2023: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHGrvCp5nsDJ1qSoKZEmm... (the trailers are at the bottom of the playlist)

Dangit tried to delete this when I realized this is completely unrelated, just a similar name, and was seconds late. Got the delete link then it denied me.
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I wonder if it is like facebook.

The next generation weren't interested in facebook, because "that's what moms use" and figured out something different.

As to drugs, now many are legal, so parents can now partake in what used to be illegal for them. Or for harder drugs, "Uncle Bob does drugs, and he's always in trouble".

So one generation of parents acts as a negative example for the next generation to reject.

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Another aspect here I think is the generalized fear and anxiety present in young people. Having spoken to some family members in the 15-18 age bracket, the message they seem to be receiving is that they are without a future... they won't be buying homes, they won't be getting high paying jobs, and that the system is not going to work in their favor. I think people of this age are uniquely feeling mortal and vulnerable in a way teens typically have not, causing them to be more hesitant to risk losing their mind which they may need to protect themselves down the road. But they also are modern teenagers, not only low in willpower but also coddled by their smartphones, which is why technology addiction is the go to "safer" alternative to habitual drug use.

Also, you typically need to be unsupervised with friends to get into drugs, something teenagers no longer have access to compared to 10-15 years ago. If we look at the social decline due to the pandemic, what made experts think these kids would bounce back? They are forever changed, and will forever be less social than other generations because they missed out on formative experiences.

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I have had the opposite observation. Millenials and older Gen Z have extremely pessimistic takes on the future. Our childhoods were some of the most materially comfortable in human history, and everything in comparison is downhill from there.

But high schoolers I know today seem more even keeled about things. They are graduating into a world where fast food jobs start at $17, no one needs to go to college if they don't want to, and they are accustomed to a world where everything is temporary and digital.

I think the strongest evidence of this is the sharp decline in military recruitment.

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> they won't be buying homes, they won't be getting high paying jobs, and that the system is not going to work in their favor

I dont have a clue what your upbringing looked like, but even up to around age of 25, I never ever expected nor was told to expect any of that. The success despite all that is much sweeter.

Maybe thats some US thing, being raised in eastern Europe you were born to shit, you were considered insignificant shit and that was about it. Thats what being occupied for 4 decades by russians causes to society, on top of other bad stuff they are so natural with.

Maybe stop telling kids how they are all special and great and all will be astronauts and let them figure it all out by themselves? Teenagers being frustrated that they wont be owning some posh expensive house, thats pretty fucked up upbringing and life goals to be polite, thats not success in life in any meaningful way.

I recommend checking biggest regrets of dying people, focus on careers and money hoarding are consistently at the top.

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Two things:

Even the “cool kids” are staying inside and using their phones all day. Cool used to mean you were at the party, now it just means you have a high snapchat score.

Other thing is genuine fear of accidental fentanyl consumption. They’re making fake Xans with fentanyl in them, fentanyl is being found in coke powder. Plenty of people aren’t taking the risk with street drugs anymore. Jelly Roll said so in an interview, he’s a big recreational drug user but doesn’t trust the supply anymore. Good job dealers!

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Teens aren't doing drugs, smoking, drinking, or having sex. And the suicide rate has never been higher.
I'm not contradicting you, but it appears that the suicide rate hasn't changed since 2018. See this interactive chart and switch the Injury Type to Suicide:

https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-injury-trends/

That chart shows the rate has hovered around 4000 per month for years. That's 4000 too many, but at least it's not increasing.

That is the raw number, not the rate.

Since the spread of social media, suicide rates are up for children, significantly: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db471.pdf

> The suicide rate for people aged 15–19 did not change significantly from 2001 through 2009, then increased 57% from 2009 through 2017

> For people aged 10–14, the suicide rate tripled from 2007 through 2018

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I don't follow.

If the rate has gone and population as well, how come the total number is about the same?

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How are you disagreeing? The comment you responded to said it hasn’t changed since 2018.
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But we are also seeing shrinking amounts of children. So a steady suicide amount in raw terms is an increasing rate.
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There is also a corresponding decline in alcohol consumption.

One angle that hasn't been researched enough is the link to anti-anxiety and anti-depression medication. These has been a significant rise in the prescription of both to young adults: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/anxiety-prescripti...

And on these medications there are often severe interactions with alcohol and drugs which would be enough to frighten off most people. Some e.g. bupropion even reduce addictive tendencies entirely.

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> Monitoring the Future Study, which annually surveys eighth, 10th and 12th grade students across the United States.

I wonder if there is correlation to the opioid crisis, where the "downsides" (if you want to call it that) of drug abuse are so visible to teenagers that they are staying away from it. Doing drugs when it's associated with being "cool"/interesting like rappers is one thing, but when you associate it to fentanyl zombies living in the streets it loses a lot of its glamour.

I was not able to find the regional breakdown so it's just a conjecture though.

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My pet theory is that buying drugs requires a level of personal interaction that many young people now avoid.
That actually makes a lot of sense. I know of quite a few younger people who pass on things they can't order online. Grubhub vs phone-in takeout, Amazon vs malls, etc. I wonder if the areas that are legalizing drugs will see a DrugHub app pop up.
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Incorrect title. "Illegal drug use among teens drops" is what the study is talking about.

Psychoactive prescriptions are up probably orders of magnitude in the last fifty years.

People have been talking about "self medicating" with alcohol and other legal drugs to deal with various problems for decades. Now there are legal "doctor medicating" options.

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In the age of fentanyl I am not at all surprised by this news. The age of experimentation is waning when you can't be sure that your substance is genuine and the cost of being wrong could be your life. If I were a young person today I probably wouldn't even touch anything powdered or pressed.
I always thought, thank goodness for video games because without them I would probably be a drunk or something similarly physically harmful. I guess the world is just now catching up :-D
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Technology is causing antisocial behaviour in young people and teens, I see it everywhere in public. Even amongst friends on a night out people are glued to their phones. Antisocial behaviour brings fewer opportunities to meet people and be exposed to drugs. Drugs were rife during my adolescence in the UK no matter what part of 'society' you were from during the 2000s. I get the impression speaking to younger colleaugues that there a fewer big house parties and nights out clubbing and summers spent going from festival to festival. I started smoking weed as a young teen simply through boredom and curiosity, I only had access to a shared computer a few hours per day. The rest of the time I was out, god forbid, socialising with friends and strangers alike (the skatepark, local parks, parent-less houses, etc...).
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I remember lying on these surveys when i was 12 out of paranoia, i wonder if the internet makes teens more prone to this
Ample bodycam footage of people on drugs, or overdosing is widely available. I’d like to imagine that many people’s first exposure to drugs is seeing the terrifying things it leads them to do.
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Is it possible this batch of survey respondents just doesn’t trust anyone with information about their habits, so they lied?
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I’m guessing it’s linked to declining social interaction among teenagers, which also explains the decline in alcohol consumption too.
Well, tell the experts that if you just stay home and stare at your phone, you don’t go out an experiment with drugs with your irl friends (because you don’t have any) Also, when I was a teen, I had my own place kids nowadays live in the basement
The obvious reason is they don't have the freedom or space to with helicopter parents and fear of strangers. It's a wonder they even leave the house but if they do mother will drive and pick them up.

Plus weed is legal now in many places. Kids don't want to do what their parents are doing.

It doesn't look so good on IG and TikTok if you're wasted and unhealthy. Image culture's positive flipside is appearance is a currency of respect, and people don't want to lose it. I guess there had to be some silver lining, right? Ha! :)
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Fentanyl contamination/adulteration seems like a sufficient reason to not use any street drug active in greater than microgram quantities. (If I were a parent, I'd probably prefer to give "good" drugs to a kid who was unavoidably going to do them vs. trust their friends/etc. to find safe ones, although there's obviously horrible moral hazard there. I have no idea what the right answer is.)
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It's remarkable to me that many of the top-level comments on this story are all positing that something (i.e. the damn phones) must have replaced drug use and we're just not accounting for it. And if it isn't the damn phones, then it must be that the kids are just too scared of modern-day drugs and the dangers lurking within.

I'm not saying it's not phone addiction, or fentanyl in the weed, but is it really that hard to believe that the youths just don't want to do drugs as much as your generation did?

Most initial exposure to drugs is social. That happens less if you’re holed up in your room on your phone.
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Isn’t this good? We’ve literally told teenagers to not use drugs or have sex for decades and it’s obviously working. The consequences are far higher today or at least more well understood and the messaging is getting through.

We’ve trained younger generations to be extremely risk adverse and they’ve listened. I line they’re probably dangerously exposed to other risks that we don’t have generational knowledge of yet.

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The drugs are digital now.
They don't know who to buy them from because they don't have any friends and don't go out.
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Think most commenters are correct and that tech and screens have usurped more “medicinal” drugs.

What I find interesting is the general lack of care among folks here at HN. There was a comment thread about some person in AL alluding to not being able to find qualified workers at their government contractor implying a morale hang up on “weapon systems”

I’d argue tech kills more folks than these contractors but people can easily look past that.

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It's because they dont have same day delivery. Who has the energy to stop scrolling on tiktok and get out of the house to get anything. Let alone drugs that require you to speak to someone.
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Blame the homeless for this win. Seeing the outcome so blatantly all around us is pushing a net positive. Next big shift will be from the legalization of more recreational drugs.
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the appetite for self-destruction is just as big now as it used to be among teenagers. i think people simply dont understand how self-destructive social media is. thats why theyre surprised.
There are now very visible examples of drug use consequences in pretty much every Downtown of a large city.
The article linked here doesn't compare previous time periods, only showing the percentages of use/abstaining that they detected now and just saying that's a decline or record decline, while the article it links to does compare to prior time periods for you to make up your mind about that better

https://news.umich.edu/missing-rebound-youth-drug-use-defies...

"surprising experts", LOL

It was clear ever back when the Dutch decriminalised weed that its normalisation led to youth not being that much interested any more, and so it was everywhere else where weed was legalised decades later.

But hey, just because the Dutch have had decades of experience, the rest of the world still isn't able to learn from them.

It's time to end the war on drugs, once and for all. And DARE etc can go and die in a hellfire where it belongs.

> The initial drop in drug use between 2020 and 2021 was among the largest ever recorded.

No surprise, with the world in lockdown and most schools in lockdown it was harder to get drugs, and meeting up to consume drugs could in many countries lead to a knock on the door or even a raid from the police - it happened quite the surprising amount of times in Germany.

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Presumably it's related to increased conservatism in gen Z males: https://www.axios.com/2024/09/28/gen-z-men-conservative-poll . Conservatives generally have more negative attitudes to drug use.
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> But, according to data released Tuesday, the number of eighth, 10th, and 12th graders who collectively abstained from the use of alcohol, marijuana, or nicotine hit a new high this year. Use of illicit drugs also fell on the whole and use of non-heroin narcotics (Vicodin, OxyContin, Percocet) hit an all-time low.

From an unexpected conversation with some younger people not long ago (though not this young), they may have just switched to LSD.

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Oddball theory:

COVID hit credulous / non-technical people harder, because they refused to believe in it and didn't take precautions. So a lot of people who might have turned to drugs died for an entirely unrelated reason, leaving teens who are "smart" enough to avoid drugs. ("Smart" here is not intended to mean just IQ.)

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