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spacedcowboy | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
That's too easy a get-out.

A lot of people voted for the rapist felon, as I write he is in fact winning the popular vote.

This is on the people and the society they live in. It's not "the messaging" from either party - it's simply that Trump appeals to a lot of Americans, as unpalatable as that is.

RpmReviver | parent | next
You don't think "the messaging" of "rapist felon" has anything to do with it?
spacedcowboy | root | parent
I'm not trying to persuade you either way. Those are just the facts as assessed by the courts. If you don't like the facts, again, I don't care.

IMHO people vote for Trump because he normalises the hate and jealousy that they feel themselves for their situation and their powerlessness to change it. How he projects his own narcissism makes him look like a kindred spirit to them, and the fact that over 50% of the voting American public can relate to this is a stunning indictment of US society.

RpmReviver | root | parent
Then why isn't he in jail? Why wasn't he been impeached? Why can't they find something that sticks for the most smeared political figure in modern history? If we are bringing up his questionable legal past, then it's fair to bring up the legal past of the opposing side. The truth is the political class has done so much damage and far worse things than Trump.

That's a whole lot of mind reading and guessing of what 50% of the country thinks, it's not simple, no one is that one dimensional and different groups have different reasons

Gen Z, millenials, boomers, gen x all have slightly different social and economic goals

The fundamental christians are not the same as the homeless bernie bros and classic liberals

CptFribble | root | parent | next
> why isn't he in jail

In 2020, a Pennsylvania white man illegally voted via mail-in ballot on behalf of two deceased parents.

Also in 2020, a black woman in Memphis voted while ineligible due to a felony conviction without being informed she wasn't allowed, and was convicted and sentenced to 6 years in jail.

As for how this applies to why Trump is not in jail for his convictions, I will leave that as an exercise for the reader.

RpmReviver | root | parent
You're in denial if you think both sides aren't racist, it comes out in different ways but its there

Someone failed that women long before she voted if she didn't know a convicted felon can't vote, at least in my state they ask when you register

doubleyou | root | parent
He was impeached... twice! (Only president ever)
RpmReviver | root | parent
No

For the first impeachment it was only recommended and then acquitted.

For the second the articles of impeachment were drawn but also acquitted.

lolinder | parent | next
> felon

Just a note: a lot of people, including moderates, perceive his felony conviction (in the Stormy Daniels case) as a politically motivated prosecution engineered by his political opponents. Pushing that prosecution as far as they did almost certainly contributed to Trump's victory rather than having its intended effect of making him untouchable.

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lupusreal | parent | next
Rap music taught me that being a felon is cool.
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fulladder | parent | next
Trump wasn't convicted of rape. He lost a civil defamation lawsuit brought by an ex-girlfriend turned political activist.
umanwizard | parent | next
Trump appeals to "a lot of Americans", sure. That doesn't mean he appeals to all or even most of us.

An election result wandering from 46.8% to 51% does not indicate a huge shift in American culture in general. It just looks that way because of the flaws in our political system.

ToucanLoucan | parent
Trump is America incarnate and that's something that's only just starting to be properly discussed. We can't reckon with him or avoid him because he is this country, in spirit and in soul. A morally bankrupt opportunist that uses and discards everything it can, and cloaks it all in slick business attire and insipid, empty words. Loud, stupid, ignorant, bigoted, and proud of all four because it has the money enough to make sure it never needs to explain itself to anyone. Believes in absolutely nothing beyond what can benefit him in that moment, and if it changes, he'll turn on a dime. If the phrase "fuck you got mine" was turned into a real boy by some sick wizard, it would be Trump.

Until we reckon with our true national spirit, which is Donald J. Trump, we cannot kill the movement behind him because that IS America, in a very literal sense.

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