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> Reading between the lines, what probably happened is that Jensen didn't come totally clean with the board on Nov 8 and tell them about the 2nd K Powell affair. Instead, the board got totally blindsided and lost trust in him. (Is there another 3rd secret affair he's hiding from us?!?) It was impossible to keep Jensen under those circumstances.

Exactly my read as well. "If you find two ants in your kitchen, the best estimate of the total number of ants in your kitchen is not two."

Lawyer here - I actually would bet this is not the case. Whether he came clean or not, the 2nd affair with a subordinate is basically always a firing offense under the sexual harassment and/or code of conduct policy, whether you are a CEO or not.

The lies may be part of it, but if you didn't fire them for the COC/SH violation, you would be in for near infinite liability because it ends up as evidence that the culture from the top was tolerant of violations, etc. THis is not conjecture, it's what has basically always happened in the legal realm when companies try to work around it.

> the 2nd affair with a subordinate is basically always a firing offense under the sexual harassment and/or code of conduct policy, whether you are a CEO or not.

In my company, it's explicitly not forbidden, but the relationship has to be disclosed to HR early on (source: yearly training). That being said, I'm not sure what HR is going to do with the information.

Fire you, probably.
What’s the practical definition of “near infinite”? $1B, $100B, personal liability for board members, criminal liability?
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Isn’t musk a clear counterexample here? He has had numerous liaisons with subordinates. Yet I haven’t seen either SpaceX or Tesla (who actually could) move to fire him. Or is he the exception?
Musk has most of the voting power in his own companies, so he has loads more of freedom because he answers to himself.
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We are up to 3 now [1]. This is turning into a Bangarang.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/former-nvidia-ceo-huang-h...

Laughed out loud! Thanks for this new terminology.
So there is a third ant.
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Except at peer tech companies like, say, Google.

Some people get to have affairs with subordinates, others don't. It's a question of if they have the support of the people pulling the levers or not as to whether it's considered acceptable. Universal rules are for little people, once beyond a certain position they are merely tools for selectively shutting out opposition.

+1. I'm sure Danny is well aware of what happened/s at Google.
The first woman he had an affair with was not just a spy, but also a customer. Isn't an affair with a customer also a fireable offense?
Generally I don't most handbooks have affair with a customer as being an offense. Arguably, that is just good business. On the other hand, having an affair with a vendor would be a problem.
My understanding is that the legal protections for the board of directors can quickly evaporate if they know about such lies and do not take actions. This is a major point of contention in the Oxford LLC bankruptcy proceedings per my understanding after the founder was found to have been persuing several kinds of fraud.

After they caught him in a lie, they may not have been able to not fire him.

I wonder if it's an elaborate dance.

They can't legally not fire him. But they can legally re-hire him after firing him. So ironically the ONLY way he can continue at nVidia is by being fired - we just have to wait a few days and there will be an Altman-like resurrection.

Where did the "ants" saying come from? i've kept seeing it here and there after the hacks to Hugging Face and others.
It's likely a variation on the saying that, if you see two cockroaches, there are more. Here's a page with that saying from 2013: https://www.weekand.com/home-garden/article/see-two-cockroac...
A fortune cookie I suspect.

More seriously, I was also curious. A quick search seems to say the earliest recent source is https://x.com/_NathanCalvin/status/2084856543561093535

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People say it in real life about things that are often present in groups and are hard to spot. I most associate it with cockroaches and bedbugs.
Isn't it a common saying for all pests? I've heard it for ants, mice, and roaches
And CEOs, politicians, etc.
If I found two CEOs in my kitchen, I probably wouldn't be suspicious that there was a third hiding somewhere.

Don't live in Silicon Valley though.

Can't confirm; replaced all my CEOs with AI
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The Powell affair has been well known for years inside the company.
> and lost trust in him.

I don't think this has anything to do with trust. It's absurd not to trust Huang as the best possible CEO for the company that he brought from zero to 5 trillion dollars in value. It's about being afraid of public opinion, and especially fear of being blamed for not taking the expected decision.

He's clearly not the best CEO for the company if his leadership has opened them up to a tonne of liability. The thing with Powell is problematic enough on its own, and yet it looks like a misdemeanor compared to the fact that he was sleeping with a Chinese spy and potentially knowingly sold chips to China in the face of a US-government-imposed ban. I just don't see why this is so hard. The best guy for the job is the one who doesn't risk the company and investor's money by overstepping into the geopolitical arena because he wants to poke some strange.
Probably still the best fit even if it costs the company billions.
Yeah, I'm wondering this too. Jensen's damn good at his job, love him or hate him. I genuinely am struggling to understand why they'd remove him unless there's more they know that we don't.
> there's more they know that we don't

They know that media and politicians were asking for his head, and that it was riskier for their own asses to resist than to concede. It's that simple.

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I don't think there is anything more to it than self preservation. All humans and I'd say living beings are good at it.

This is why martyrs are so praised. You have to overcome this instinct of self preservation to give up your life. I suspect most people can't do it in the heat of the moment.

Basically what others have said, it doesn't matter if Jensen is good at his job or even if nVidia prospers under Jensen. I don't think the board members care one lick about that. What matters to them is their own self interest and it takes a lot of experience to realize that executive leadership and even the board does not instinctively value the goals of the organization above their own self interest. I submit this is true because of the massive amount of bribing err I mean incentive alignment that the organization gives in terms of like stock options or bonuses for meeting certain targets.

>Jensen's damn good at his job, love him or hate him.

He can barely stay coherent to reality during interviews and on stage. Especially when the AI generated slides don't make sense.

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He got honeypotted by a rival superpower and appears to have actively helped to circumvent national security concerns and export controls to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.

My god, how much more spectacular could his mistakes be? Does he have to eat a baby live on TikTok while proclaiming "transistors are dead, we're going back to vacuum tubes" or something?

There are very few human beings in history who could have taken nVidia from zero to megatrillions like he did, but the idea of him continuing to run the company after this is absolute absurdity.

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He produced a one-in-a-zillion success, and he certainly did it the hard way -- he was apparently unusually hands on. The word "genius" gets thrown around a lot, but I think it's apt.

But.

He put together a string of frankly insane mistakes that are now endangering that 5 trillion dollar company from both the inside and outside. There's no chance in hell that they're going to go from $5T back to 0, but you are not understanding the trouble they're in.

Internally, boinking your direct reports (who also happened to have a string of recent promotions) is incredibly ruinous to a company's internal culture, destroying notions of internal meritocracy. How would you feel if all your hard work was apparently not as important as putting out for the CEO? Do you think that would make you eager to do your best work for that CEO? And that's even before thinking about the insane legal liability.

Externally, he got honeypotted by a foreign government and managed to simultaneously mess with national security and, it seems, circumvent export controls to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. nVidia is in some extremely serious shit, and will have the government breathing down their necks between now and the end of time.

I think his unfair, and much of it not true.

Jensen is actually extremely well respected by his staff and has the highest staff approvals in almost all of tech.

I'm certain that his personal foibles won't engender him any love, but it's not unheard of.

Elon Musk has had sexual relations with at least 4 staffers, children with one - while he was having children with his wife.

Where's the scandal?

"he got honeypotted by a foreign government and managed "

Where is the evidence of this? Give me one specific allegation?

His mistress was passing information to the government, ok, as will many nationals that have met with him, and as US nationals often do as well.

Elon is in direct contact with Putin several times a year since 2022 - and there's no good reason for that.

Consider putting all of that in context vis-a-vis much of the rest of corporate America and consider the rest of his contributions.

Obviously it's fair to bring all of this up, but it's intensely hypocritical for the most part.

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I think you missed the point. An average person may hold their alcohol and operate, but we don't approve cops being drunk on the job.

Huang betrayed 38 years of trust his wife put into him and recently betrayed the Board by lying to them. That's already admitted, no ifs or buts. He clearly had reasons, as he is a sane person. His reasons were romantic engagement with (alleged) spy. Since he is a sane person, he must have weighed pros and cons and still engage in an affair, even though it jeopardized his marriage and his job. The Board needs to do bunch of "what ifs" in such situation, including paranoid ones, such as "what if this woman had such access to NVIDIA tech stack that each cheap is infused with some form of Chinese virus". We simply don't know how far this goes, but this firing certainly shows much further than just a consequence of a romantic fling.

> Since he is a sane person, he must have weighed pros and cons and still engage in an affair, even though it jeopardized his marriage and his job.

Sane people still make irrational decisions.

It's one of the weird dichotomies of our species.

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Also worth noting that in the event his wife doesn't stand by him, this immediately becomes the second largest divorce settlement in history (behind only Bill and Melinda Gates). That's not the kind of headlines the PR department is love with either.
That would be the best estimate, if the choice was 2 or another specific number.
The leather jackets were the red flag everyone missed. He needed to be validated as a sexy man.
Man’s been stockpiling affairs like his customers stockpile GPUs.
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Has he been bankrolling them like he's been bankrolling his customers?

https://glonce.com/nvidia-bankrolls-its-own-customers-the-ec...

We were getting ready to draw straws on who should join the anthill for some GPUs. Now we gotta find someone else to seduce.
One ant could just be an antomaly however
Ironic, because in all likelihood, the Ants had a hand in his takedown.