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Words are still empty without actions. He chose not to take any.
What action would you have him take?

And honestly, we are all human and all of us make mistakes. Having an affair is usually something that should be resolved privately, in your personal life, not in public. The business context of this affair is clearly something he wasn’t aware of at the time and punishing him for being deceived seems extreme.

He should resign. He's proven himself an unreliable leader.
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Unreliable by having an affair? How does that translate to not being a good CEO?
Being vulnerable to espionage seems like one pretty obvious way.
I mean, I don't think he's gonna be making this mistake again.
Cheaters always cheat again. And again.

He's gonna fall for it again. It may just be harder for the spys to pull it off.

Failing forward:)
He will be more carful but these attacks are almost indefensible.
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Yes. Unreliable by having an affair.

Not because he had an affair (who cares, really, and hardly uncommon), but because he had an affair that endangered the company, and in some respects our country.

Functionally, it's not different from "left an unlocked phone at a bar". A mistake anyone could make, but, when you're paid what he's paid, that type of mistake is the thing you're paid not to make.

Because these are known risks for a CEO of a top 3 market cap company. Not to mention there is still to be an investigation on if it was on purpose.

This a known attack vectors that global security teams and front of house security teams go over yearly with C suite.

If he is willing to betray his wife, who else is he willing to fuck over?
It means that you’re dishonest and can’t be trusted to keep big commitments. That seems to be less valued than it once was though.
That’s kinda every COE, and you generally can’t trust companies. Or maybe I’m more cynical than others lol
If he's lying to his wife who else is he lying to?
Humans always lie, there was some data showing it’s about 0.75-1.5ish per day (I don’t remember exact thresholds but you can think of it like one per day).

It might actually sustain civilized communication and behaviour, e.g a small lie to not hurt someone’s feelings.

Of course this level of deception in a marriage is worse, but it’s naive to think anyone is entirely honest.

Its not about the lie, its about the trust thats being broken. Most lies don't end your relationship.
_Technically_ it didn't end his relationship yet. But I do get your point, about the 'severity of the lie'. But honestly, this is a personal thing not a work thing. One doesn't have to carry over to the other, people _thankfully_ behave different at home than at work.
You and I have no idea what he and his wife have said to each other.
Seems like NVIDIA is doing great to me.
Stock is down 12% over the year
And up 580% over five years.
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Yeah, but now all of those circular financing deals have even more "Why would I lie to you?" vibes. Incompetent?- no. Dishonest?- yes.
I'm all for having CEOs take responsibility. But unless it comes out that he actually leaked anything of substance than it really doesn't matter that he cheated on his wife from the business perspective.
One could certainly question his judgment. As CEO of Nvidia, he should have recognized that his position made him an exceptionally valuable target for foreign intelligence operations
Usually when emotions are involved, people don’t think rationally. I don’t think he should go around his life 24/7 on alert that anyone showing sexual or romantic interest is out to get him.
It could still be an issue if his wife divorces him, takes a significant portion of his stock and decides to sell it off. The NVIDIA board would have to consider that possibility.
There was always that risk, whether or not he had an affair. People get divorced for all kinds of reasons and you have no idea how she felt about their marriage before she learned of the affair. You also do not know how she feels about the affair, she might have some kind of private (i.e. none of your business) arrangement with him because she sees enough value in keeping the marriage intact.

Also keep in mind that divorce is not some formulaic thing. Most divorces are settled out of court and a hypothetical settlement could have terms that allow him to keep those shares in exchange for something else (e.g. maybe he agrees to pay her the cash value or agrees to a large and permanent alimony structure). I doubt the Nvidia board is worried about this issue considering the other, more immediate problems here (like the fact that his mistress is a Chinese spy).

> arrangement

Everyone always assumes wives are naive wilting flowers, but for all we know she has her own private life on the side. It's really none of our business.

How would firing him make any difference. He’s already got the stock.
The worst she can do is sell them off. And at something like 1.75% she would own that is not likely to damage them seriously. Besides firing him or not, he already has the stock so it would accomplish nothing.
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he doesn't have to "leak" shit.

10 minutes alone with his laptop and a well crafted malicious USB is enough.

illicit visit with a few nice gifts, all bugged.

her whole role may have been simply to isolate where is and his laptop is inside of a hotel or building so that another team can slip in and grab it or clone it.

he could have kept his mouth 100% shut and been on full opsec the whole time and still gotten played by CCP intelligence.

and at this level of the game he should fuckin know better.

This is the appropriate step so long as your goal is to maximize the negative impact of Chinese espionage.
Absurd, internet-only opinion. He's led Nvidia to a 4 trillion market cap and then cheated on his wife? Is it shitty, yea. Does it have literally anything to do with business? no
> Does it have literally anything to do with business?

Yes. The cheating is only a small part of it, although it does confirm he's a piece of trash and thereby throws into question his capability as a leader. More seriously, he potentially colluded with this person, an agent of a foreign government, to bypass export restrictions. The investigation that will follow exposes Nvidia very badly.

Yes exactly this. Also don't forget the mechanics of the deal for the export-capable chips for China, that last I read they had way under-delivered on so far, so that's a sensitive and potentially major issue.
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He is no leader of the free men. He is the CEO of a company that wants to make as much money as possible.

Honestly I don't even care about the restrictions, not my law.

Yes, and as the CEO of the company he did something really stupid that exposed that company to massive regulatory risk. And in so doing showed his entire ass. You don't have to care about the morality or legality of it to see that his fuckup has put the company in jeopardy. It was his only job to do literally the opposite of that. This incident means he's incompetent.
It could still be an issue if his wife divorces him, takes a significant portion of his stock and decides to sell it off. The NVIDIA board would have to consider that possibility.
Are we talking about what is optimal for NVDA shareholders or what a genuine demonstration of "taking responsibility" might look like?
Nothing short of ritual seppuku will satisfy the righteous hackernews commenter.
We should indeed bring that back
i'd even settle for japanese style intense shame
It's not about being righteous. It's about whats good for the business. CEOs wrapped up in scandals of any kinds distract and cause stock prices to fall. Most CEOs in this situation are out quickly.
I am pretty sure he was aware that she was an Nvidia costumer even if he was not aware of her alleged status as a Chineese spy.
Not many people. Have affairs with Madame Butterfly… The damage to Nvidia comes later see Elon and the fallout, for both having behavior issues will be long and slow any bad news, any miscues, for Jensen/Nvidia will be reported on more vigorously in the future which is why most in their positions try to avoid doing stupid things.
Resign. Bro cheated on his wife. You trust him? I don’t.

Edit: lol people would down vote this. Cheating is cool if you’re a billionaire!

Cheating is never cool. It’s awful.

But the knee jerk maximum-cancel for any offense is a problem. CEOs are not saints. Very few people are. If our standard for corporate leadership is not just to be good at business but also to be above reproach personally… who’s left?

It’s an unfortunate fact that humans are generally fallible and imperfect. Jack Welch cheated on his wife. Many other execs have. It sucks, but the world would not be better if there were a career death penalty for doing so.

Career death penalty is a bit hyperbolic, no?

Nobody is saying he can't retain most/all of hi billions and do something else. But, leading a multi-billion dollar business should come with some minimum expectation of morality. If for nothing else because being an immoral turd opens you to extortion.

I really don't get the sentiment that flying around the world to cavort with a Chinese spy is ok-ish. That's insane.

>Career death penalty is a bit hyperbolic, no?

"He could just leave nVidia, the company he built btw., and build another 4 trillion company before he dies."

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Yes it would. I follow the moral not the rich.
Literally nobody would be left. This is big issue with our cultural moment right now. In the past, it was understood that all humans are fallible and worthy of forgiveness. The standards seem to be so unrealistic right now that it is making everyone miserable. This is not to say there should not be accountability. But there should also be proportionality and second chances.
> The standards seem to be so unrealistic right now that it is making everyone miserable.

This is not at all true; our standards are extremely low for moral behaviour from public figures, and they traditionally face minor or no consequences for even severely unethical or actively criminal behaviour.

You can't say we need to preach forgiveness rather than consequences when no consequences are happening at all; it reads as insincere, and is at best inaccurate.

Literally nobody would be left.

If every C-level in the world is morally suspect, we have a bigger problem. Seriously, is your claim that being a bit iffy is a pre-requisite for the job? That's a pretty damning statement about capitalism if that's the claim.

In my experience it is much more accurate to not see the world in terms of good and bad people, but to accept that each of us have the capacity for good and bad in ourselves. To quote Solzhenitsyn: the line between good and bad goes through the heart of every person.

This world view is not only more accurate, but also more forgiving, and and overall leads to a less angry world view.

The children would be left.
Who's morals exactly? There's a big difference between following the morals of a traditional religion and following the morals of some retards you happen to align with because of your pre-existing lived experiences. Organized religion solves the individual morality problem of having an over-arching unified set of principles everyone is aligned to by making morality something that humans can't change.
Moral degeneracy from the top down. At least in the past there was some appearance of statesmanship.
Appearance is all it was, don’t be hypocritical.
Yes and when the mask drops we don't even have appearances anymore. Is that a better state of affairs?
First of all, asking a liar to resign is not "maximum-cancel"
I think I'm with ModernMech on this one. It's too easy, I think, to focus on the idea of CEOs being forced to resign as a "career death penalty" to the degree that we lose sight of how well-off the people we're talking about are. Jensen Huang's wealth is estimated at over $150 billion dollars. That's more than most corporations in America. If he never worked another day in his life, never earned another cent of interest on investments, lived to be 100, and spent $5M per day for the rest of his life, he would die being worth over $80B. I understand "death penalty" is metaphorical, that he probably wants to work, yadda yadda yadda, but goddamn, let's not pretend that is an actual penalty.

(For that matter, let's not pretend that if he resigned now he wouldn't be able to immediately pick up work again if he wanted to. Because, to reiterate, he is worth over $150 billion dollars. He could start a new company. He could start ten new companies. He could buy an island and build a secret underwater volcano lair to start a new career as a Bond villain. Assuming he doesn't have a secret underwater volcano lair already, of course.)

> CEOs are not saints.

I concur, but...

> Jack Welch

You might have picked a better example than the guy who systematically hollowed out the American institution that was GE by evangelizing cartoonishly corporatist short-term MBA culture then leaving when the bill came due and washing his hands of that destructive movement that he propelled to the forefront of American business. There are tons of great leaders who did hurtful things in their private lives. I don't think that Jack Welch is exemplary of that first criterion (unless you count a legacy of financial engineering and grinding employees into pulp as leadership).

I was amused to see Jack Welch mentioned, for the same exact reason you’ve stated.
> maximum-cancel for any offense

They aren't saying "maximum cancel", they're just saying maybe this guy shouldn't be running one of the most consequential companies in the world when he's more interested in dopamine farming.

At the end of the day, asking a billionaire to resign his role, so he can sail off into the sunset on his yacht and have all the affairs he wants for the rest of his days isn't really on any scale of punishment or cancelling I'm familiar with.

Somehow we live in a world where with great power comes no responsibility or accountability, and it's quickly becoming too big of a problem to handle.

> Jack Welch cheated on his wife. Many other execs have

Along with a lot of people who are not executives, and people who were not executives at the time and went on to become executives. Like it or not cheating is relatively common, our species is not strictly monogamous and the evidence can be found in male anatomy (read about it if you are interested, particularly in comparison to Chimpanzee and Gorilla anatomy).

I am not saying this as a defense of cheating; it is just a fact that people cheat on their spouses, regardless of the moral implications or how "never cool" it is.

> The evidence can be found in male anatomy

This research is deeply suspect, theorises far beyond its data, and tends to be galloped from to the is/ought fallacy.

You are absolutely saying this as a defence of cheating, and it would be more compelling if you said that outright.

Dispute the research all you want; really, it does not matter why people cheat because it is a fact that people cheat. How is it a defense to point out a fact? It is also a fact that people murder each other, does pointing that out amount to defending murder?
It mattered to you when you were supporting it with shaky evo-psych. And it's a defence when you try and rely on the same to justify it.
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A lot of people cheat on their wives and husbands and are still trustworthy. Bill Clinton didn't auction off the nuclear launch codes to prevent the Lewinsky scandal from becoming public. A person being unfaithful to their partner is in and of itself not a deathknell, so it's less of a risk to other aspects of that person's professional life than it might have been in decades past
Sorry do you make an oath to your partner or not? Cheating on someone after explicitly promising to be a faithful partner is as low as it gets and burns trust forever.
Don't confuse your own religious views with those of everyone else. Probably your first mistake.
Have you considered the possibility that sometimes people give their spouse permission to have an affair?

Have you also considered the fact that you can get married without taking such an oath? A wedding ceremony is not how you get married. You get married by signing a document that says you are marrying the other person who signs the document, and then filing the document with the government. Marriage is a legal arrangement that primarily covers property rights and certain legal decisions (e.g. the presumption that your spouse can make decisions on your behalf if you are incapacitated). Even in the few remaining places where cheating has any meaningful legal significance divorce lawyers often advise clients not to bother -- it is rarely worth pursuing and most people just want to finish the divorce as quickly as possible and all filing for fault will do is raise your legal fees (for little tangible benefit).

I don't remember any oath about not sleeping with another woman, in my language and culture. Maybe there is one in his language in culture, but I am not sure about that. There is one about being together in good and bad times, but "cheating" does not imply separation or divorce, just having some time with someone else. It is even something agreed in a marriage in certain circumstances of health or age.
I have no idea what oath or commitments he made with his wife
And I don’t look to CEOs for moral guidance and leadership. Ever.

I might evaluate someone’s good sense before investing, and this was bad decision-making, but it’s hardly the whole of his career.

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Good point. Most people do make oaths to our partners. "Till death do we part."

But then we culturally decided divorce doesn't count. "Till death do we part" became "Till death or major or minor inconvenience or whim do we part." Then culturally we decided that marrying an oath-breaker is just Tuesday.

People also promise to love and honor each other (until death...), and see how well that's working out for many. Cheating is often only the consequence of that failure, and as someone "outside" - who are we to judge the people who are inside of the relationship?
Only some religious traditions actually involve that oath. Jews have practiced a religious version of no-fault divorce for thousands of years.
Or we just culturally decided that a centuries-old tradition didn’t mean we had to forever put up with something we only later found out we’re unhappy with. Marriage should not be a life sentence nor an unbreakable commitment.

Funny things, the rules we make up to justify nonsensical behaviour.

He cheated on his wife with a Chinese spy and sold her millions of chips which were routed directly to his Chinese competitors via her shell company.
The second part of that is a problem, for sure. The first part IMO is irrelevant
The first part explains why the second part happened, it's wholly relevent.
OP only mentioned him cheating on his wife, so my comment was related to that: his infidelity to his wife

The entire scandal is a scandal to be sure. That he cheated on his wife with an intelligence operative and whatever happened beyond that is a problem and needs to be investigated and dealt with

But this thread was about him cheating on his wife full stop. He could have cheated with anyone else and it would not have been a problem. The cheating wasn't the problem, it was who he cheated with and what happened downstream

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He mixed his business and personal lives himself, not us.
Madam Butterfly is irrelevant? Who she is is the most important part.
Uhh, Bill Clinton got impeached for it. "Lying under oath"
Heh, good example, because that was the primary justification for trying to remove him from office over that, and turns out not to be such a good reason.
The argument around the Clinton impeachment was that he had lied under oath. Yes, the circumstances of his relationship with Lewinsky were shocking and got all the press but the charges brought against him in the House was that he had lied in previous sworn testimony in a deposition where he said he hadn't cheated on his wife by having sex with anyone else
More like that was the reason they managed to find after spending years pursuing a completely unrelated, and unsuccessful, investigation into a real estate deal.
> Bill Clinton didn't auction off the nuclear launch codes to prevent the Lewinsky scandal from becoming public.

I mean... he did lie through his teeth to make it seem better, so not exactly trustworthy no. That he didn't sell the nuclear codes doesn't mean people trusted him after that.

The people who didn't trust him after that didn't trust him before and would never have trusted or liked him. On the whole people didn't care about what he did with his dick and he ended his presidency just fine
Maybe that's many people, but I can think of at least myself who liked him before that and didn't trust him after, so I think there's more to it than you suggest. It also followed his wife around in her political life, and she was asked about it constantly, or is she in the category of "didn't trust him before and would never have trusted or liked him"? To this day his affair and the lies thereafter are the top of what's talked about for his whole 8 years in office.
Hate to break it to you but cheating is far more common than anyone wants to admit. You probably know many people who cheated, or perhaps are currently cheating, on their spouse, and there is no reason you would be aware of it (it is not exactly something people share with their friends or family). If you are going to take the position that someone who has an affair cannot be trusted in any other context you are going to live a very paranoid and unproductive life.
I suspect most folks like myself are simply not a fan of cancel culture. If he leaked secrets I would agree, he needs to leave. Cheating on his wife? It is not great at all. It is worthy of evaluating that person as a business partner but canceling them? No way. Humans have been cheating on each other since the beginning of recorded history.

I don’t know why so many people jump so easily to canceling someone.

Moral absolutism has shown itself to be largely incorrect.

I’m not religious at all, but one of our oldest texts in modern circulation says “let he without sin cast the first stone”- we’re all guilty of something after all, and while some poeple have no moral compass at all, some people rationalise ”a little” indecency or indiscretion.

I’m not defending him, but it doesn’t tell me he is not trustworthy in totality, its just distasteful and I don’t like it and I think this behaviour is worth some social punishment.

Most people do not consider a persons marriage status when choosing if they do biz with them.

When did we fall back to religious level purity requirements in persons personal life in order to interact / do biz with them?

If your co-worker cheats on his/her partner should they be fired from their job?

I feel you. It is a sign of poor judgement and a lack of integrity.

I will credit him the consideration that she is a state actor probably extensively trained in how to leverage men's weaknesses and fool them.

So anyone that has an affair should be fired on the spot?
Man you've lost the plot. No one is condoning cheating but relationships are complicated things.

How is billionaire related? Its such an unoriginal complaint.

Billionaires get a free pass for their bad behavior because they’re such great “business leaders” or whatever.
That's lazy complaining - replace billionaire with person in power (cultural, religious, cult leader, political) its the same thing.

I would argue that he's not a hall pass given the coverage.

I agree that those in power too often abuse it. If you can’t wield your power for good than society should strip it from you.
Yes as you can see everyone is turning a blind eye to this.

And no one said a word about the affairs of Bill Gates, or Sergei Brin, or Donald Trump or Arnold Schwarzenegger, …

But when my neighbor Jim Regular cheated on his wife, it was on the front page of the New York Times.

Or was it perhaps not actually like that at all?

Did you trust him before he cheated on his wife?
Why would a private, personal decision matter for his role as CEO?

If it does, where do you draw the line? What personal moral failing deserves to be fired for and which do not?

Don't worry. The blanket downvoting of anything not pro-Huang/Nvidia sends its own kind of message.
I am not sure cheating on his wife is really cheating; kings and billionaires during the entire history of humans had multiple wives, consorts, concubines and mistresses, it came with the power and fame. It was one of the perks of the job, I think, and it was quite normal in all civilizations until recently and it is still happening and continue to happen. Why would to struggle to become a billionaire and die of old age after living like a saint when you can live like a saint even if you are poor and unknown?

I am not supporting cheating, I am just pointing to the facts. I am poor and not famous and I would not cheat, but if I would be a billionaire or the King of America I have no idea what I would do, I am not spending a single neuron-milisecond thinking about that.

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Why not execute him while you're at it.
No thanks I’ll just shame him and the people who excuse moral depravity.
So because he was tricked he must resign ?
Who among us can say that we haven't accidentally slept with a Chinese corporate spy at some point?

Happens to the best of us, really.

Fool me once shame on you… fool me won’t get fooled again.