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Incredibly sad and demoralizing to see the rationalizations and excuses people are making for this behavior in the comments here (or for the likely lack of professional consequences). But I guess these are the times in which we live.
No excuses or rationalizations here, but: Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse? Seems like a private, family matter.

Of course, the spy aspect could be relevant from a professional perspective (depending on what actions he took or what he knew), but I'm guessing you're talking about him having an affair.

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When they are the CEO of multi-trillion dollar, geopolitically important companies, and when we are talking about spies of geopolitical adversaries? Yes, absolutely.

In fact, the affair was less important. Even if they were just a very close but unromantic professional relationship it would be a serious scandal.

Most posters in HN don't think "poor corporations are the victims when they are hacked". They think "the corporations should be liable because they did not invest enough in security". This is morally the same.

We don't know that she was a spy.
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Hm sure but politicians and world leaders cheat serially on their spouses and we don’t seem to think that’s something they should be held accountable for.
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It's not personal when you're in a certain role. You are not just representing your company, as a CEO you are practically embodying the company. It is the ultimate position, and it's compensated accordingly. If you want a personal life, resign from the job of CEO of the world's biggest and most strategically important company.
That is a very American take. I think there are other countries (e.g. Germany, the Netherlands) where there is a much stricter separation between the professional and private persona. Nvidia is american, and so is Jensen, so i guess it is OK to judge him by this standard. Just saying that different cultures judge this behavior differently.
Yeah you say that then your country elects a serial-cheater pedophile as president; I'm not sure you are so representative of your country customs as you think.
Espionage aside, let's not forget that he was having an affair with a customer company's executive. If that's not a massive professional fuckup I don't know what is.
To be fair he probably spends all of his "free" time working. As the founder and CEO of it there is no personal or professional life. It's all one life.
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He did sell billions of dollars of chips to the shell company his spy girlfriend worked for, violating export controls. So there is that.
> Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse?

Nowadays, we make them president.

> Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse?

Yes, in many places, absolutely. Bad decisions in your personal live suggest bad decisions in your professional life.

People who speed take reckless actions endangering others, therefore we should fire anybody who gets a speeding ticket. Thoughts?

Now take the same point and apply it to every other crime, misdemeanor, and breaking of rules. Should companies really operate based on that? Or should we maybe draw a boundary around professional life and only consider the professional life?

What absolutely ridiculous places are these? Do you also get fired for lying to a friend, or wasting your personal money?

Does it work the other way as well, so you're forced to divorce your spouse if you make a bad business decision?

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Irresponsible enough with that money, and you lose govt. clearance and can't pass background checks (even civilian ones).
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> No excuses or rationalizations here, but: Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse? Seems like a private, family matter.

It is not so clear, if this is about his character and can he be trusted. This is evidence that someone is capable for lying and doing something that might not be in line with company ethics either. I don't think we can assume from humans that "he lies only in his private life, but can be totally trusted on business side".

A non-trivial % of people engage in this behavior themselves. Gotta remember that.
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I’ve seen some wild opinions on HN. One that particularly lingers in my mind was a suggestion that we use immigrant women as incubators to solve the population crisis. Shockingly not downvoted into oblivion.

HN cares about money and tech. Don’t take morality or life advice from here.

I mean there has been extensive reporting on the eugenicist sides of Silicon Valley.
That was probably just Musk’s alt account.
Not sure these times are at all unique. If anything I imagine equivalent billionaires from the past were even greater philanderers. Hell, I was recently reading about Benjamin Guggenheim, who died on the Titanic and is known for "I played the game straight to the end and that no woman was left on board this ship because Ben Guggenheim was a coward. Tell her that my last thoughts will be of her and our girls" - and he was travelling with his mistress while those final words were recorded.
Agreed, and I'm not even that moralistic about the affair. It happens. This guy is in charge one of the most influential and important companies in the world. He owes the entire world a higher standard of conduct. Not for moral reasons, but for security, integrity, and consistency. If he's allowing himself to be influenced by China, the ramifications for Nvidia are staggering. If he wants some sex, use a hooker, or at least have an affair with NOT A SPY. Having an affair with a spy is unbelievable levels of incompetence, and calls into question his competence as a leader.
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Well, I'm also disappointed to see the holier-than-thou bias in such full display here too. If you're unfamiliar:

> It’s the well-documented bias in which people systematically overestimate how morally they would behave compared with others—especially in high-pressure or ambiguous situations—while underestimating the situational forces that actually shape behavior.

I'm sure we're all paragons of moral virtue here but the reality is that unless you've been personally targeted by a nation state and successfully resisted, then you're really just fantasizing. Yeah bro, I'm sure you would have effortlessly resisted the Chinese sex trap, right after you benched 1000, got that hole in one and beat Hamilton at qualifying. You're just that good.

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Why do people virtuously out their own personal weaknesses on here with such glee? Then again, this is Hacker News, wouldn't expect many men on here to get much attention from the opposite sex. You're probably right.
There was never a time when men didn't have affairs.
It takes two to tango!
Nor did I imply there was. I was talking of consequences when they came to light (doubly so when they materially impact one’s company and national security).
There was never a time when it wasn't deeply frowned upon either, because having an affair is not the norm.
Read Anna Karenina sometime. Tolstoy shows both the aspect of a society in which rich men having affairs was considered the norm, and the destructive effect it has on people. (And also the double standard by which women were judged much more harshly than men for having affairs). And he also, by comparing the two main relationships in the book (Vronsky's affair with Anna, and Levin's marriage to Kitty), said "It doesn't have to be this way, you can have healthy relationships if you just reject society's advice to have affairs and instead stay faithful to your wife".

I didn't like the book when I first read it (mostly because I seriously dislike Anna, and the book naturally spends a lot of time being told from her POV), but in retrospect, it's brilliant. Tolstoy has, without a single bit of moralizing, presented one of the best arguments I've seen in literature for being faithful to one's spouse and not engaging in affairs.

P.S. I should add that I don't think Tolstoy was inventing the "rich men having affairs was considered normal" aspect for the purpose of the book. I think that was what Russian society was really like at the time, and he took that aspect of society and wrote a book criticizing it, highlighting the negative effects that that attitude would have on people.

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Do you really think it was never the norm for rich men to have affairs? That's a very optimistic view of history, I wish I shared it.
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