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Some version of this has been posted a dozen times now. The dog barking and baby crying detection are advertised features of this product range which is used for SmartThings integration.

Swarms of RE-hopefuls are now using tools they don't understand to work on projects they don't understand. Anyone doing RE knows step 1 is read public documentation, FCC filing, patent applications, etc. That step would tell you what the device does out of the box, no RE required to find everything the OP has actually uncovered.

Instead they busted out Claude and have been gaslit by their own AI into thinking they've discovered something. They just discovered features that Samsung has been pitching for years.

I don't get why people think it would be worth all this effort for Samsung to nefariously work out not only if you have a dog and/or a baby, but exactly when they make noise. Like, sure, that would be a gross invasion of privacy if they were doing it - but what's the business reason for putting all this effort into it?

I can almost see the "they're using it for advertising" or "they're selling information about whether you have a dog or a baby, of course!", but notifying every time they make noise?

There's obviously more to this story than these sensational knee-jerk reactions assume. They're just so non-curious for a supposed 'investigation'.

Well, person didn’t have a dog and then they suddenly do, and that will be noted by the device. I don’t understand the downplaying here, even though it’s correct that these people not necessarily know what they’re doing. The device does collect information about you and does listen (all while costing thousands of dollars). And these spy features they announce are not a product for common users but for data companies.
I don't think I'm the one being overly credulous here.

None of the assertions you made are backed by this 'research' which as far as I can see only shows that the TV is capable of detecting dog barks and baby cries.

You're just presuming that because the TV is capable of sensing these things (which Samsung advertises - links at end) this data is being collected and sent to Samsung - and then sold on.

So, some questions:

Is information about every time your baby cries or dog barks even valuable enough that this is plausible?

Is there any evidence that this is actually being sent over a network - for purposes other than the features they advertise?

Is there evidence that these are even being monitored if the dog bark or baby cry feature is not turned on?

Shouldn't the burden of showing things like this be on the people making the sensational accusations?

I could come up with more, but I think that these are enough. I'd love (well, hate, because I don't want it to be true) to see some actual proof of any of this.

https://www.samsung.com/us/smartthings/experience-smartthing... https://www.samsung.com/ie/smartthings/care-for-your-pet/

"They recently had a baby and now they suddenly don't" is probably a datapoint they sell to ambulance-chasing medical malpractice lawyers and PE-owned grief counseling clinics...
The police also want to know if you have a dog if they are to raid your house.
Well yes, but when was the last time any police force had the mental ingenuity of asking the Samsung corporation about details on on someone's living environment? And what level of accuracy would you trust that intel?
If the police doesn’t do it on their own, sooner or later some databroker will sell it to them as part of some AI policing package.
Yeah the police would never ask Amazon ring for mass video without a warrant either right? Oh wait they could and they did. And it was shut down after it was exposed.

And on flock cameras they still do.

It's like this, once you have the data they will come for it.

"they recently didn't have a baby and now they do" is worth thousands of dollars of product sales
Just because your own imagination is limited you suppose theirs is the same? People with any semblance of power can be incredibly petty.
I agree. It is much more likely that this for QoL project not implemented. Imagine the TV being smart enough to skip to before the baby interrupted.
More likely just auto-increase the volume of the ads so you can hear them while you take care of the baby. Or walk the dog.

(Joking or /sarcasm.)

Different people learn new things differently. Folks without a background in RE, who are playing with these tools, may also not care about privacy until they find a reason to. I don’t see anything wrong with folks taking a roundabout way of finding out how things work; Be it software or privacy.
I think the issue is mostly over-sensationalizing findings.

For example, it would be tiresome to have someone insist that s0ss is clearly an illegal hacker with multiple felonies to his name solely because he chats with YCombinator's secret anonymous hacking collective. And yet this post right here makes it very clear you are one of us! ;-)

It's been a feature of the phones for years too.

While caution is definitely warranted after LG, I am definitely getting the impression that people are far too quick to jump to conclusions because an A.I. service told them something without them factually checking it first

If normies understood that baby crying detection also requires everything-except-baby-crying detection, they would be up in arms about being spied upon... and here they are
Sometimes, the essence of a story and end goals has more value than the actual finding and story itself. Most us probably don't know this is part of a documented feature, and this is the first time I'm hearing of SmartThings integration. I'm still not quite sure what the point of these detection are.
This reads like you want to gate-keep people first exploring and discovering the absurdity of the surveillance state we live in.

In my opinion, Claude "gaslighting" is a signal the other way - If Claude thinks they've discovered something, that means the llm-compression of most digitalized human knowledge still finds SmartThing a disturbing piece of tech that user do not want.

First off, not all gatekeeping is bad. The locked doors at the power plant marked caution are locked because the wrong move will kill you and it will hurt a lot the entire time.

So first we have to the examine the gate being kept, and who's the keeper. If it's "being allowed to vote" and the gate is being kept by "men", sure, tear down that wall. In this case however, the gate being kept is not reading the documentation and being mind blown for something that's documented. Not like, hidden away somewhere, but plainly documented. I'm torn though, because xkcd 1053 also applies. Unfortunately, tech is one of those areas where you can only cry wolf so many times before people just totally ignore you.

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> Swarms of RE-hopefuls are now using tools they don't understand to work on projects they don't understand

I mean, that’s just a statement of fact from the grandparent, no? I don’t see it as gatekeeping; are you focusing on some other part of the comment?

I think someone who’s aware of how to do Reverse Engineering being tired of those who’re making mistakes but advertising the output of those mistakes as legitimate discovery is pretty normal. I remember when I was learning FreeBSD that I’d show up in the mailing lists thinking I’d found bugs, but really I hadn’t read the docs well enough, and people were direct with me that I needed to do better if I threw the word “bug” around. It’s just normal peer feedback.

I would respectfully submit that trying to treat Anthropic’s models’ nonsense alarmism like it is legitimate output is closer to gaslighting. At best, the output shows that the majority of people have an alarmed tone.

The comment seems to imply to me that they are too gullible to understand what the LLM tells them and are being gaslit into believing things that smarter researchers would know without needing an LLM. Honestly, the comment seems dismissive of the current reality in general.
I don't see how you get to the conclusion that the original commenter thinks people are being gullible.

I look at the original comment and it doesn't say anything about gullibility. It expresses frustration that there's an influx of people interested in the field of Reverse Engineering but aren't digging deeper to where the answers are. I read the comment as being more similar to the complaints of the Eternal September, when an existing culture got permanently swamped by people who wanted to interact with the tools of the culture but didn't realise there was a process to learn first.

For myself, I'm glad there's an influx of people interested in technology and being able to grasp at the tools that can deliver outcomes. I don't love seeing people appearing that want to tell me that deeper understanding is dead, not because it does me any particular daily harm but because I think there's still a lot of value in understanding the details of a topic which summaries tend to gloss over. I've been feeling this for a long time, though, it's not related to LLMs but to a culture of knowledge more fixated on soundbites than on getting at the truth of things.

In this case, I see the original commenter reflecting my own concerns, but that's so often the way: we see things as we are, not as they are, which may be colouring my read.

Reasonable minds can disagree, of course, and I respect that we may just be reading the comment quite differently.

If actual researchers with real experience are disagreeing with LLMs, I'd generally still trust the real experts.

At a dead minimum, I'd expect something like "addressing the concerns the experts are raising" instead of trying to do a character assassination.

I generally read "character assassinations" as suggesting that someone has no real technical arguments available - conversely, the experts here are citing specific facts and evidence.

Almost like a calculated dismissal.