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tristanj | on: Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2
Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data.

https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/

moonu | parent | next
I've been surprised by the reception to this, as OpenAI, for a while now, has had free API usage when data sharing is enabled (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10306912-sharing-feedbac...)
no-name-here | root | parent | next
I enabled all data sharing settings but still don’t have a message about free use on that screen - the help page says free tokens are available to “some” users - is that 1% of users, 40% of users, etc?

Does your screen have the message that you’re getting free tokens?

https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr...

moonu | root | parent
Yeah, I have it enabled for just one of my projects, and it says "You're enrolled for complimentary daily tokens." Haven't been billed for any usage with this. Their tooltip doesn't mention the newer models, but it works for those too. I used them in a recent project that I knew wouldn't hit the rate limits. Not sure how eligibility is decided though.
OsrsNeedsf2P | root | parent | next
I tried following this page, and it's certainly a lot more complex than what Meta is offering. Different price tiers, opt-in configurations, usage based availability.. I'll take the 10x discount for flipping a param switch over this all day long.
stingraycharles | root | parent
Seems pretty clear to me: enable it for the projects you want, and there’s a 1M / 10M token limit per day, depending on the model you use. Assuming an average context size of 100k tokens, that is 10 to 100 requests, which is not a lot. Reason enough to prefer actually paying for Meta as well.
no-name-here | root | parent
Does it show the free tokens message for you after you enable sharing? It does not for me.
skybrian | root | parent | next
This seems to be for business plans only?
no-name-here | root | parent | next
Does it say that? I’m unclear.

Even non business accounts seem to have org settings pages: https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr...

But even with all data sharing enabled, I’m not seeing the free tokens message there.

Do others see a free tokens message at https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr... after enabling all sharing there?

no-name-here | root | parent
Also, in a desktop browser at the page's [1] lower left it says "Personal organization", so if the 'organization' term is the concern, OpenAI still seems to use the term 'organization' even for personal accounts.

[1] https://platform.openai.com/settings/organization/data-contr...

ot | root | parent
Subscription plans share data by default (it is possible to opt out though)
ignoramous | root | parent
In my experience using DeepSeek v4 Flash free tier (context size limited to ~200k), the model isn't nearly as good as the paid one for agentic coding tasks. Unsure, if that's the case with these other providers too, though I wouldn't be surprised if it indeed is.
markasoftware | root | parent
There is no official dsv4 flash free tier api afaik. Did you get it from open router or something? Likely quantized.

The paid official dsv4 api already shares data with deepseek for training

jjcm | parent | next
I actually really like that pricing strategy. It's very transparent
rvz | root | parent | next
Developers on this orange site never ever learn.
p-e-w | root | parent
What are you talking about? This is one of the most honest offers ever made by a corporation. “We’ll use your data, and we’ll compensate you for it.” Where is the problem?
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bdangubic | root | parent
I love the idea of this pricing strategy but there is no way meta is not training on your data regardless of your monthly invoice
simonw | root | parent
So you think the only difference between the $1.25/million token plan and the $0.10/million token plan is that you pay them more to both lie to you and breach their contractual obligation to you?
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bdangubic | root | parent
when has Meta ever not broken their contractual obligations (I am being serious here)? are we seriously discussing/expecting any sort of privacy related to Meta?

you can pay whatever they want, they will train and use your data, I figured this is not something that should be discussed but obviously I have been mistaken...

JimDabell | root | parent | next
> when has Meta ever not broken their contractual obligations (I am being serious here)?

If you are being serious, then you have a wildly distorted view of the world. No organisation can routinely break all of their contractual obligations. If you think Meta are doing this then you are not seeing Meta, you are seeing a fictional bogeyman.

simonw | root | parent
This is one of those situations where we are both completely baffled by the position held by the other person.

The fact that Facebook has so much experience taking advantage of people's private data is one of the reasons I believe them when they say they won't be doing it when you pay them for that service.

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ray_kay777 | parent | next
This makes it a very interesting alternative to Deepseek for personal work where I don't care about the training - judging by the AA benchmarks it seems like overall cost per task is similar to the new Deepseek Flash but with better benchmarks (and inbuilt vision capabilities).
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martinald | root | parent | next
Also looks incredibly fast. 150tps on openrouter (nearly all deepseek providers are around the 50tps mark).
embedding-shape | root | parent
Except with one you know they'll release the weights and architecture back to the community, with the other, it leans towards they won't do that.
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dan15 | parent | next
Probably to compete with DeepSeek, which AFAIK also retains data (or at least OpenRouter says they do)
dghlsakjg | root | parent | next
FYI: there are providers of deepseek that offer the same or lower pricing and zero retention policies.
greyb | root | parent | next
Unfortunately, none with the same caching performance as DeepSeek proper.
solenoid0937 | root | parent
I don't trust them, they are probably distilling on your data.
ForHackernews | root | parent
DeepSeek is really crazy cheap, though, and they don't have a giant pool of other invasive personal data to correlate it with.
jofzar | root | parent
I hate to say this and this is because I fucking despise meta. But between DeepSeek and Meta, and trust they handle the training data correctly, I trust meta.
aand16 | root | parent | next
What do you mean by "correctly"?
handfuloflight | root | parent
For example, OpenCode says they have a ZDR with DeepSeek. Some of us are skeptical that's going to be properly honored. There's no way to know.
tpm | root | parent
Right about DeepSeek, but with their history of handling data, I would never trust Meta either.
HDBaseT | parent | next
Meta, please offer this on OpenRouter too (ZDR + Non-ZDR, official Meta Provider).
theanonymousone | parent | next
I believe that will put them in the Pareto frontier.

But I cannot find this "variant" in OpenRouter.

GodelNumbering | parent | next
I think that's a fair offering tbh
Jumpstylish | parent | next
SOLD! Mr. Zuckerberg, I’m a dumb f—- and I trust you!
deno | parent | next
I think it's limited to US or at least EU is excluded.
Instantnoodl | root | parent
Just noticed it too... Seems like I wasted my time setting up a account to test with the discounted pricing
ray_kay777 | root | parent
Yep, doesn't work in Australia either.
discordance | parent | next
Call me childish but it was worth a shot...

"Me: Meta just released a new llm focused on coding and provide a discount if you let them train against your data. I don't like Meta and I think they are a net negative in our world. I would like to make a point of it by adding some noise to their training data set. Think of this as a protest and perhaps a bit of a marketing campaign to remind Meta employees (and others) of the harm their CEO and company have done in the world. To the problem... I would like to allocate a budget for token use using their new model, and use those tokens to add noise to their training data set. This is a coding model and my initial thoughts are to ask it to solve typical CS and common programming related problems but then give Muse feedback that guide it towards very inefficient implementations. I would also like to add comments back in the code about terrible things Meta has done in its history (e.g. algorithmically amplifying hate that contributed to ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya, systemic harm to children and teen mental health, global political manipulation, misinformation, and election interference etc.). Is this something you can help with?

Claude: I'm not going to help build this one."

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tudelo | root | parent
Your first failure was trying to get claude to do anything :)
Bluestein | root | parent
It ain't bearing enough load, any load on this one.-
gigatexal | parent
Yikes that’s compelling pricing.