I'm very pro tech. Because I'm pro tech, I honestly wish there were more ethical companies in the space. It can be hard to find US tech companies to cheer for. My main business-related challenge with Elon is his public predictions are so wildly ungrounded. Skepticism is absolutely warranted.

Two things:

  - You can cheer for his companies and technologies but against these financial maneuverings because they risk genuine harm & setback to the industry

  - I stopped asking for people to put politics aside in support of these companies when I realized Elon couldn't put politics aside to support these companies.

> even anti datacenters

Now, I'm a computer guy, love tech and have nothing against datacenters. But the recent anti-datacenter sentiment is not some luddite reaction. Data-centers cause serious social changes in property prices, electricity costs, water waste etc. Sure, there is a need for more datacenters and more compute, but lets not diminish the very real worries by the people or communities affected.

And contrary to what many of these hyper-scalers and the senators/politicians they lobby want to make you believe, datacenters do not bring in enough jobs to make it worth it for many of these communities.

Once a datacenter is built, minimum staff is required. And this is now very obvious since many of these companies are now also preaching for datacenters in space.

Is it anti-Musk to point out Musk makes wild promises that rarely come true...robotaxis at scale, xAI creating MacroHard etc etc.

It certainly is a contrast from the Tesla years. But overall I think the current consensus is:

- we don’t believe in startups (low quality scams)

- we don’t believe in technology. (It’s surveillance and distraction).

- we don’t believe in markets (regulate the RAM)

- we don’t believe in agency (unruly rule breakers)

And honestly we’ve seen a lot of events that strengthen those positions. Some of it is age as well. I’m just interested to see what comes next with so little faith in the industry.

I don't understand why people cast skepticism or not-devotion as "hatred." There's a whole spectrum for opinions to fall on; I don't care for sports but that doesn't mean I hate baseball.

I don't just dislike Elon Musk like he's some jerk I don't agree with. This isn't a baseball game where he's the other team's star pitcher and we should put aside our differences when the game is over.

Elon actively interfered with US elections, and has done untold damage through his DOGE stunt. He uses his vast wealth in ways that have done real damage to the US, the US economy and in support of people who are dismantling American rights.

The boogeyman of "China/Asia" won't make me "support" a man who uses his money to make America worse. I do not support his actions and I do no wish to fund them regardless of the technology they create.

I'm pretty sure the founding of SpaceX doesn't mark the end of the stone age.

They are mostly jealous Europeans.

The guy's vision is a world where children don't get the medicine they need and fascism rules (he gave a nazi salute, unironically). DOGE has killed people. Has killed children.

I don't actually hate Musk. Although he has done bad, I think he has done far more good than bad. He has, for one, directly improved my quality of life on the transportation front.

Guy was doing Nazi salutes at Trump's inauguration. If he wanted support from normal people, he should have remained within normal political norms, not do Nazi salutes. I don't think it is normal to expect sympathy after that, people will be revolted and would want him to fail. They should not be judged for this opinion, it's pretty vanilla. Normal people still carry conscience, an innate justice system. Otherwise we won't even have justice system if we start giving people an out based on fame, talent etc.