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joenot443 | on: TikTok goes dark in the US
I think on HN it's easier to just be clear about what we're positing; I'm not really sure what you mean by playing coy.

Do you think Trump's being paid by ByteDance to lift the ban?

whiplash451 | parent | next
Trump will apply a basic principle. Could this thing manipulate my voter base at scale and in the wrong direction? Yes -> kill
choult | parent | next
Trump has displayed a disturbing pattern of changing his opinions and actions after meeting with monied or powerful people who have vested interest in said change.

Often this is accompanied by a public message of flattery or a donation to his "political" coffers.

joenot443 | root | parent | next
Totally agree on that, public flattery's a very common tribute in international politics. So I'll ask again, are we of the opinion that Trump is being paid by actors, foreign or domestic, to enact change here?
zelda420 | root | parent
I do believe that. We are talking about the admin that launched Trumpcoin which soared to tens of billions in market cap in the last few days.
rbanffy | root | parent
So, just to make it very clear what I implied, yes. I believe he and his organisations receive benefits, directly or not, in money or other forms, for him steering policy towards what’s convenient to whoever is paying.

An easy way is for TikTok to just promise to algorithm away any criticism of him in the US.

hiccuphippo | root | parent
Like every other politician. Trump is just less subtle about it.

Politicians take political decisions, not logical ones.

magpi3 | parent
> Do you think Trump's being paid by ByteDance to lift the ban?

There is never a need to be that direct. Republican and Democrat donors tell politicians what positions to take. Trump doesn't need to take money directly from a company. He takes it from his donors, who in turn take it from the company in some form.

In this case, the theory is that billionaire Jeff Yass (an investor in Tik Tok) has "persuaded" Trump to flip his position.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/jeff-yass-billionaire...

joenot443 | root | parent
rbanffy's comment was exactly as direct as I specified, and I'll reiterate their comment for posterity - "I’m sure they expect the issue to be resolved by paying the incoming president".

My understanding now is that now we've shifted from "ByteDance pays Trump to flip" to "American businessman Jeff Yass meets with Trump and convinces him to flip"

I hope you can understand that as a non-American observer I see a lot of distance between those two claims and find myself confused when they're treated with equivalency.

magpi3 | root | parent | next
The only difference is that the money given is laundered through donors. I am an American, and I am very cynical.
jajko | root | parent | next
How out of touch with general politics are you? This is how things are done, globally, in every democracy, since forever, you just need to look close enough. I can see similar type of corruption all over Switzerland for example where I live, mostly in public projects and decisions. Locals mostly don't see anything, so everybody is happy. You just have to have a keen eye for corruption, which is easy for somebody coming from eastern Europe since there its ingrained in the system(s) and permeates every aspect of societies.

Non-democratic places have more direct path for bribes but otherwise its same.

joenot443 | root | parent
I’d say I’m generally fairly in touch with global politics, it’s a bit inflammatory for you to ask, truthfully.

I think that local level corruption in my small town in Canada or in yours in Switzerland is pretty markedly different from what’s been originally presented, which is that DJT was paid directly by ByteDance to adjust his position.

rbanffy | root | parent
I said that ByteDance expects that paying Trump will make everything go away. From his comment on an executive order, it seems clear he’s willing to go over a law passed by the Congress.
rbanffy | root | parent
It doesn’t even need to go through Jeff Yass. It can just be a new Trump resort and casino getting expedited approval in Hong Kong, or some other place. Imagine the business opportunities being POTUS will bring to him and his family. The possibilities for corruption are endless.
joenot443 | root | parent
It doesn't take much imagination; he spent 4y as POTUS and most people agree it was to his personal benefit. I'm not aware of this leading to expedited approvals for Trump resorts in other countries, but it seems you're more familiar with his dealings than I am.

I'd still love your clarification though - do you still stand by the claim that Trump is being paid to reneg on his position re. TikTok, as per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42755872 ?

Yeri | root | parent
Yes. It's not going to be hard 'traceable' cash, but it'll be favours and other permits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_Moscow

joenot443 | root | parent
I'm a bit confused by the connection you're trying to make - it sounds as if the project never went anywhere?
rbanffy | root | parent
He never loses his own money - he gets paid for licensing his name and brand and for his "expertise". It's the investors who get defrauded.