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tomrod | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
The tolls are 1. Used to fix toll lanes, much more prevalent now than in the past 2. Payments to private companies who siphon the proceeds out of the area they services

Gas tax is much better in this regard, but all of these are pretty extortionary.

throwaway48476 | parent
Last I checked I think 60% was getting siphoned off to an LLC and only 40% of the toll was for the road.
AnthonyMouse | root | parent | next
Not only that, tolls suck for privacy (de facto installation of ALPR cameras, database presumptively controlled by a private company selling the data to anyone with money), are a regressive tax on the poor, and are often used to implement "taxation without representation" by sticking the tolls near a state border to extract rents from people not eligible to vote against them.

New York has even taken to explicitly charging higher rates to out of state residents, which is of questionable constitutionality.

hirako2000 | root | parent | next
I would like to be able to say that in Europe, tolls are managed by the state, but they aren't.
throwaway48476 | root | parent | next
But think about all the poor politicians who would miss out on their kickbacks.
datavirtue | root | parent
Driving is a privilege. You can walk on the walking road, thingy.
tomrod | root | parent | next
Not when it is mandatory to function in society. Then, it is a necessary utility.
AnthonyMouse | root | parent
Driving is a right because travel is a right and walking between two points separated by dozens of miles on a daily basis is about as reasonable a suggestion as "let them eat cake".
sokoloff | root | parent
Travel is a right, including interstate travel, but Dixon v Love (among others) have held that personally operating a motor vehicle (“driving”) is a privilege rather than an inherent right.

You can take a bus, taxi, or airplane to travel.

AnthonyMouse | root | parent
> Dixon v Love (among others) have held that personally operating a motor vehicle (“driving”) is a privilege rather than an inherent right.

The question in that case is whether someone's license can be suspended after conviction of traffic offenses without a separate hearing on the suspension. Denial of rights is common practice upon conviction of a crime, e.g. unless you've been convicted of a crime you generally have a right not to be incarcerated.

> You can take a bus, taxi, or airplane to travel.

So if you're a farmer in New Jersey and have to deliver your produce to a farm-to-table restaurant in New York City, which of these is supposed to apply? Also notice how little this has to do with tolls. If your license was suspended you could pay an employee to drive your truck into the city but the E-ZPass tag doesn't care about that.

sokoloff | root | parent
That ruling refers to them as privileges in a direct way (without objection by the Court).

Perhaps you could cite the basis upon which you conclude they are legally a right.

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