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slillibri | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
The pandemic response, the Muslim ban, family separation at the southern boarder, repealing roe v wade, ending DACA. This doesn’t even take into account the policies he wants to enact like mass deportations.
laichzeit0 | parent | next
What is the problem with deporting people who are there illegally? As someone who doesn’t live on the border of the United States do you know how incredibly hard it is to legally immigrate there? I don’t see why other people should be allowed to jump the line. There’s a legal way to get in, follow it like everyone else.
spacedcowboy | root | parent | next
Let me see now...

- Forcibly separating children from parents, with no plan to reunite them. There are still children missing, who were spirited off $deity-knows-where. If criminals do it, we call it kidnapping and people-trafficking, but this was official government policy

- Let's focus on those kids, who were locked up in prisons, had any medication they were on confiscated, and we're not just talking teenagers here, some of those kids were under 5.

- The conditions they were held in would make a grown man weep, held in iron cages, kids defecating and vomiting in the heat. Staff wouldn't help small children, it was left to other children to try and keep the infants well.

- Routine use of pyschotropic drugs to act as "chemical straitjackets" on older children, so they would be usefully docile while being caged like animals

- Sexual assault on these unresisting, drugged children. That's rape. Of children - usually girls but not always. Under government supervision.

Personally I don't support the rape of children, but more than half the voting public seem to be "just fine" with it.

laichzeit0 | root | parent | next
Did you reply to the wrong comment? Nothing what you said addresses illegal immigration. Are you saying illegal immigration is something good and if you’re against it you’re for child rape?
vile_wretch | root | parent
Everything they listed was the result of the Trump administration's immigration policies. Do you think human beings should be subjected to these things just because they're living somewhere illegally?
ryandrake | root | parent
> Personally I don't support the rape of children, but more than half the voting public seem to be "just fine" with it.

They're not just saying they're "just fine" with it. They are enthusiastically voting for it.

We have to come to terms with the fact that very clear, consistent campaign themes of cruelty and selfishness won over a majority of voters. Deep, country-wide introspection is needed.

newaccount74 | root | parent
I think that people really like violence, but no-one will publicly admit it. People want others to suffer. Nobody really cares about making the world a better place, or saving the climate or whatever. People just want a better life. But they have no perspective of getting a better life, so they will settle for everyone else to get worse.

It's the only way it all makes sense. I don't think that all those voters who vote for Trump and Putin and Erdogan and all the other autocrats think they'll have a better life. But they know that all those other people are going to suffer, and it makes them feel a bit better.

The most dangerous man (or woman) is someone who thinks they have nothing to lose.

People feel dispair, and therefore they vote for people who will make others suffer.

foobarian | root | parent | next
Having gone through the legal immigration gauntlet, which took decades of sacrifice, I have no sympathy for illegal immigration either. But the other problem is that the economy is not so much about money as who does the work, and I suspect that cohort does a disproportionate amount of it and would crash the economy if actually deported. I predict the same thing will happen with Trump's deportation threat as has happened with the wall and Mexico paying for it.
duped | root | parent
You're taking what they're saying at face value. The policy goal of the Republican party is to create a white, Evangelical ethnostate.

Their issue isn't legal vs illegal immigration. It's white vs nonwhite. They make "the legal way" harder for anyone that isn't white, which doesn't stem immigration. It just makes it easier to turn away non-whites at the border.

newfriend | root | parent
Just a bunch of nonsense lies. You live in an echo chamber outside of reality. I suggest some introspection.
duped | root | parent
I am very tired of defending this, because it's so self evident to me from listening to what Republican politicians say and do. The echo chamber isn't telling me that we're months away from concentration camps for brown people, that came from Stephen Miller. That's just one example among many.
bigstrat2003 | parent | next
Repealing Roe v Wade is a great thing, not a terrible thing. Highly contentious issues absolutely should be left to the states to decide, not forced upon them at a federal level.
PsylentKnight | root | parent | next
Damn TIL, guess we need to roll back desegregation and abolition too cause that was so contentious
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Terr_ | root | parent
> Highly contentious issues absolutely should be left to the states to decide

Alas, if/when the Republican party gathers enough power to finally pass a federal abortion ban (or an indirect Fugitive Pregnancy Act) that "principle" will vanish into the memory-hole with all the rest. The minority who sincerely held the belief will be sidelined, again.

Another manifestation would be if state personnel and courts get conscripted into enforcing federal immigration policies.

bionicthrowaway | parent
“Family separation at the border” started with Obama and the Democrats weaponized it to attack Trump. What did Trump do poorly during the pandemic? Operation Lightspeed was a success that the Democrats were happy to capitalize on. He correctly pointed to WIV as the like source of the outbreak, and despite the Democrats attempt to censor this in the media and online, it’s now the widely accepted view among the academics who don’t put politics above science.