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What horrible things happened because of the policies of the first trump presidency?

COVID response seems like the biggest mistake, but that was a never before seen global pandemic, and it isn't clear to me that anyone else in office could have handled it differently.

The pandemic response, the Muslim ban, family separation at the southern boarder, repealing roe v wade, ending DACA. This doesn’t even take into account the policies he wants to enact like mass deportations.
What is the problem with deporting people who are there illegally? As someone who doesn’t live on the border of the United States do you know how incredibly hard it is to legally immigrate there? I don’t see why other people should be allowed to jump the line. There’s a legal way to get in, follow it like everyone else.
Let me see now...

- Forcibly separating children from parents, with no plan to reunite them. There are still children missing, who were spirited off $deity-knows-where. If criminals do it, we call it kidnapping and people-trafficking, but this was official government policy

- Let's focus on those kids, who were locked up in prisons, had any medication they were on confiscated, and we're not just talking teenagers here, some of those kids were under 5.

- The conditions they were held in would make a grown man weep, held in iron cages, kids defecating and vomiting in the heat. Staff wouldn't help small children, it was left to other children to try and keep the infants well.

- Routine use of pyschotropic drugs to act as "chemical straitjackets" on older children, so they would be usefully docile while being caged like animals

- Sexual assault on these unresisting, drugged children. That's rape. Of children - usually girls but not always. Under government supervision.

Personally I don't support the rape of children, but more than half the voting public seem to be "just fine" with it.

Did you reply to the wrong comment? Nothing what you said addresses illegal immigration. Are you saying illegal immigration is something good and if you’re against it you’re for child rape?
Everything they listed was the result of the Trump administration's immigration policies. Do you think human beings should be subjected to these things just because they're living somewhere illegally?
> Personally I don't support the rape of children, but more than half the voting public seem to be "just fine" with it.

They're not just saying they're "just fine" with it. They are enthusiastically voting for it.

We have to come to terms with the fact that very clear, consistent campaign themes of cruelty and selfishness won over a majority of voters. Deep, country-wide introspection is needed.

I think that people really like violence, but no-one will publicly admit it. People want others to suffer. Nobody really cares about making the world a better place, or saving the climate or whatever. People just want a better life. But they have no perspective of getting a better life, so they will settle for everyone else to get worse.

It's the only way it all makes sense. I don't think that all those voters who vote for Trump and Putin and Erdogan and all the other autocrats think they'll have a better life. But they know that all those other people are going to suffer, and it makes them feel a bit better.

The most dangerous man (or woman) is someone who thinks they have nothing to lose.

People feel dispair, and therefore they vote for people who will make others suffer.

Having gone through the legal immigration gauntlet, which took decades of sacrifice, I have no sympathy for illegal immigration either. But the other problem is that the economy is not so much about money as who does the work, and I suspect that cohort does a disproportionate amount of it and would crash the economy if actually deported. I predict the same thing will happen with Trump's deportation threat as has happened with the wall and Mexico paying for it.
You're taking what they're saying at face value. The policy goal of the Republican party is to create a white, Evangelical ethnostate.

Their issue isn't legal vs illegal immigration. It's white vs nonwhite. They make "the legal way" harder for anyone that isn't white, which doesn't stem immigration. It just makes it easier to turn away non-whites at the border.

Just a bunch of nonsense lies. You live in an echo chamber outside of reality. I suggest some introspection.
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Repealing Roe v Wade is a great thing, not a terrible thing. Highly contentious issues absolutely should be left to the states to decide, not forced upon them at a federal level.
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“Family separation at the border” started with Obama and the Democrats weaponized it to attack Trump. What did Trump do poorly during the pandemic? Operation Lightspeed was a success that the Democrats were happy to capitalize on. He correctly pointed to WIV as the like source of the outbreak, and despite the Democrats attempt to censor this in the media and online, it’s now the widely accepted view among the academics who don’t put politics above science.
Attempted disassembly of the center of disease control which led to less Covid lead time.

Attempted disassembly of EPA and FDA in attempts to raise employment in exchange for consumer safety.

Sale of federal lands that were preserves for future generations.

Picking a Supreme Court based on politics rather than law.

Preferring Totalitarian regimes when it came to diplomacy and snubbing our allies.

Trying to use the FBI as his personal attack dogs.

At least off the top of my head. Last term his goal was to undo a hundred years of progress as a constitutional progress.

This term? I have no clue what his goals are. I just hope he lives because the VP Vance appears to support that project 2025.

Appointing outwardly biased Supreme Court justices who prejudiced USA law against women and many minorities.
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Moving the embassy to Jerusalem and the U.S. recognizing illegal settlements as “legal” set the stage for Oct 7
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Spanish flu never happened in your timeline?
Well, others probably wouldn't have fired the pandemic planning committee. Another one was created in 2022, but, as of 2024, Trump has said he'd get rid of that one too[1].

[1] https://time.com/6972022/donald-trump-transcript-2024-electi...

This line of defense falls apart a bit when you add further context. It's my understanding that during his first term he was surrounded by many smart and experienced people who tampered down on Trump's worst urges. But for this election he made it an explicit goal to get rid of those people and put in place people who are more likely to be sycophantic and loyal to him.

There's literally dozens of people who worked for Trump during his previous administration that have come out against him since then.

Personally, when I read about the alternate elector scheme and the attempt to prevent Pence from certifying the 2020 election, that was sufficient to convince me that Trump poses a real risk.

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A mistake he didn't seem to learn from, as he's said he'll appoint RFK (who is openly anti-vaccine) as being in charge of public health.
He indirectly ended abortion rights and presidential criminal liability. And while it wasn't a single bad event, he spent 4 years making climate policy worse. More directly he attempted to extort a foreign leader for political gain and sponsored an insurrection to stay in power that resulted in loss of life.
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This is an ahistorical view of things.

Trump fired national security officials in charge of handling pandemics. Trump repeatedly claimed that covid was not a problem, and that it wouldn't come to the US, and then that it would disappear by April, and then easter, and so forth. He fought the CDC, NIAID. As we know now, he also sent test machines to Putin for his personal use while they were in short supply in the United States.

This pandemic was rightfully and widely compared to the 1920 pandemic, as well as the SARS scare in the 00s. We are very, very lucky that the SARS scare got a lot of the legwork done in advance on the RNA vaccines.

It's hard to imagine any United States candidate handling it worse.

stacking our court with conservative justices, stacking other courts with his appointees who are already working to throw out his criminal cases. the rollback of roe.

it's a very fucking slippery slope and everyone is too concerned with "but muh gas prices!" to think critically about the macro situation.

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"...anyone else would have handled it differently", yes, and very likely we would not have gotten the COVID vaccine as quickly as we did and hence Biden would not have been able to set us out on the road to the pandemics end (and been able to come out of his bunker). Who knows how much longer the pandemic would have lasted and how many more might have died had Trump not cut out the red tape and fast-tracked the pharm industry on the road to a cure.
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