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There is a very very close to 0% chance of the US stopping being a democracy in the next 4 years.
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Trump appoints 2 more allies to Supreme Court positions. During his term.

Trump runs for a 3rd term, with the help of his existing support (including Musk).

Vance fails to certify states that are unfavorable to Trump or refused to list Trump as a candidate for 3rd term, announcing the Trump has won. Congress may object. Bad news, it's R controlled.

The issue is brought to the Supreme Court, however Trump will effectively still take the position as per ceremony.

Supreme Court decides in favor of Trump, under the doctrine of strict interpretation (bad faith is an existing loophole).

This is just one of the many paths to breaking down the existing political system.

What you and I consider "democracy" may differ. These series of events would be a breakdown of American democracy, regardless.

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this is extremely out of touch with reality. trump is not going to run for a third term. he didn't even pardon himself when he was last in office, which he could have done, but didn't. he also could have packed the courts and didn't. trump sucks but he's not fundamentally trying to operate outside established powers and traditions of his office. if he was gonna "fuck all this i do what i want" he would have last time
> if he was gonna "fuck all this i do what i want" he would have last time

He tried. There are books and interviews, available today, describing how unprepared he was (ie the basic housekeeping of staffing positions) to take his position as the head of the executive branch. He had no political infrastructure, which has been since remedied by some rather fringe conservatives (related to prj2025). He is unable to manage anything, ruling through typical narcissistic behavior of delegation and blame. He has a colorful history of exploiting legal loopholes. The only thing Trump consistently does, is prop up his own image and power to continue to operate in this manner.

> he also could have packed the courts and didn't.

Meet reality. He did enough by taking whatever Republicans put in front of him. I see no reason to believe it won't be repeated.

> trump is not going to run for a third term.

This is not a compelling statement, in the slightest.

Again, this is one possible path for deconstructing American democracy, which easily sprung to mind and is dependent on his health in 4 years. Saying it's impossible, is another opinion.

With the obliteration of the balance of power by the SCOTUS, extremely favorable SCOTUS judges with a conservative majority, a Senate and possibly a House majority the risks from an authoritarian-loving, narcissistic candidate who has "concepts" of plans, goes against mainstream economics in his economic policy, fanboys over a billionair drug-addicted narcissist who wants to destroy institutions by slashing "100 billion USD per year" from Federal institutions and put RFK Jr in control of the national health who tried to sabotage the constitutional and peaceful transfer of power and who instigated a violent storm of a parliament with casualties involved, the risks have certainly hardly ever been higher?
You're pointing out a bunch of things that are scary to you, without actually describing how democracy will be lost. The majority of our democracy can be attributed to the constitution, which requires a supermajority to be amended.

I also think you would be pleasantly surprised by the number of people who voted for Trump who would not be happy with the dissolution of democracy.

Also I think you'd be hard-pressed to get a majority of SCOTUS judges to be happy with that.

You argue that I am unspecific, however my entire post lists factual occurrences and people which can easily be validated.

You on the other hand present no counterfactual at all.

Democracy will be lost if there are no public institutions to enforce rules in a way which keeps nobody in particular with too much power.

Democracy will be lost if core players of said system do not respect the rules anymore and either try to negate, obstruct or otherwise hinder balance or peaceful transfer of power.

Trump has clearly shown to be capable of the latter and his desire for centralizing power around him.

Read some of the testimony of former staffers that emerged over the past few weeks.

And the SCOTUS ruling has given him a carte-blance to enact his ideas - without impunity.

The Senate or House will not or hardly force him to compromise on legislation, MAGA captured the Republican party.

The legal changes and Trumps demonstrable behavior are much more akin to a Putin in Russia or a monarchy than to a democracy with equal institutions governing.

The constitution isn't worth the paper it's printed on if it's just being ignored.

> The constitution isn't worth the paper it's printed on if it's just being ignored.

While I agree with that statement, I think you are ignoring that virtually all of the conversation about how the Constitution and Bill of Rights are out of touch with modernity is actually coming from the left. I don’t hear anyone on the right really arguing that point—its quite the opposite actually.

I didn't say you were unspecific, I said your points didn't relate to dissolving democracy, they were mostly just things you fear (but not unspecifically). Here is a more thorough answer to those original points:

SCOTUS has not obliterated the balance of power AFAICT? Otherwise Biden would've had more power than he does/did, right? I'll need more details about this obliteration.

SCOTUS judges are indeed majority conservative. But you'll need a tad more to indicate that "conservative" translates to "supportive of dissolving our democracy". I'll accept statements they've made to that effect, anything they've written, or whatever else you have. But we know you have nothing to indicate this at all.

Your concerns about economics have nothing to do with dissolving democracy. BUT (because I'm passionate about this) – mainstream macroeconomics is pseudo-science peddled by charlatans anyway. It's too multi-variate for them to effectively predict the outcome of basically anything at a macro level. They're not Harry Seldon even if they wish they were.

Your concern about him being buddies (sometimes frenemies) with Elon Musk has nothing to do with dissolving democracy. Elon Musk can't enable that in any shape or form. I guess he could make Trump dictator of Mars if his plans for SpaceX pan out, though.

Your concern about RFK Jr being in charge of public health has nothing to do with dissolving democracy. RFK Jr believing that vaccines cause autism or that fluoride turns the freaking frogs gay has nothing to do with the state of our democracy.

As you helpfully point out, Trump tried and failed to mess with election certification last time around. The institutions holding their own against him is literally the opposite of what you are trying to argue.

I'll concede that maybe the risks have never been higher, but going from 0.001% to 0.01% isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

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And here is my answer to your new comment:

> Democracy will be lost if there are no public institutions to enforce rules in a way which keeps nobody in particular with too much power.

This is true. Luckily the institutions that actually enforce this are not the ones Trump et al have expressed interest in cutting.

> Democracy will be lost if core players of said system do not respect the rules anymore and either try to negate, obstruct or otherwise hinder balance or peaceful transfer of power.

This is clearly untrue. Someone trying and failing to mess with democracy is actually evidence of the opposite – that the democracy is robust. As I said before, Trump being unable to stop election certification is not the evidence for your argument you think it is.

> testimony

You mean like the testimony from all the people in the military that aren't big fans? You don't think that maybe the military might have something to say if the President tries to become a dictator? Support of the military is usually required for that, and Trump doesn't seem to have that much support in military leadership.

Which SCOTUS ruling gives him carte blanche to enact anything he wants with impunity?

So far this is all going according to the constitution. The house passing bills which are then passed by the senate which are then signed by the president is... our democracy. I don't see the Judicial branch abrogating their responsibilities to the Executive branch, nor do I see the Legislative branch doing that, even if they support Trump for president. Just because they'll be able to pass whatever they want for 2-4 years doesn't mean they're going to pass something that dissolves democracy. And so far you have nothing to indicate that those branches are interested in doing that. Just your fear running rampant.