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abcd_f | on: Trump wins presidency for second time
> Stop calling working people without a college education stupid and stop alienating men.

Nobody is calling anyone stupid just because of the lack of education.

However the lack of education makes people gullible and easy to manipulate. From bleach as a Covid remedy to marginal tax as a grave danger to working people - you don't have to go far for examples. And when someone does believe this sort of blatant bullshit, then, yeah, they don't come across as particularly bright individuals.

nazgulsenpai | parent | next
> Nobody is calling anyone stupid just because of the lack of education.

> However the lack of education makes people gullible and easy to manipulate. From bleach as a Covid remedy...

You may not realize you said it, but you said it.

effable | root | parent | next
But are you arguing that when people believe things that are demonstrably false, like using bleach as a Covid remedy, not because there is any evidence behind them but only because they were uttered by someone they trust wholeheartedly, and this person does not have any hint of medical training, that nobody should say they are stupid, but only quietly believe it in their minds?

If not that, then what were you trying to say?

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ninkendo | root | parent
So what is the takeaway here? When referring to trump supporters, follow the line of reasoning:

- Trump floated bleach as a covid remedy

- Bleach as a covid remedy is obviously stupid (we should both be agreeing on this one)

- Trump supporters support such statements from trump

- But pointing that out is "calling them stupid" and thus we shouldn't do it?

I'm genuinely curious about this because it makes up so many discussions with trump supporters in a nut shell. I don't want to condescend to them, but I also shouldn't be pointing out things that genuinely are stupid about trump, because doing so would offend them too? What should I do, just pretend all the dumb things Trump does (and that his supporters support him for) don't exist? Just so I can find common ground? (I mean, strictly speaking this is exactly what I do in polite company with trump supporters. I just pretend all the really dumb shit doesn't exist and just talk to them about policy and stuff, and in the end I end up finding that we agree on 90% of stuff and we go on our way. And they continue to support trump for reasons I don't understand.)

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bloopernova | root | parent | next
Realize that in most of those conversations, those actions serve to derail. That's intentional, it shuts down any rational discourse.
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j-krieger | parent | next
> Nobody is calling anyone stupid just because of the lack of education.

I can find you dozens of examples right now, in the press, from today. That the entire election is the fault of uneducated people.

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ttoinou | parent | next
Overeducated people are as much manipulable, but in a different way
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ars | parent
You are calling other people gullible and easy to manipulate, and yet somehow you believe that Trump actually suggested bleach.

He didn't.

Seems to me you need to look in a mirror.