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Not at all wanting to be confrontational- genuinely curious; if they’re not on the far right then where are they? The Democrats seem fairly centrist, and it’s the more wayward independents (eg Greens) that seem to be on the Left.

My perspective is European & Australian, so I wonder if that skews it.

archagon | parent | next
They are absolutely far right, they just hate it when you call them that.
stogot | root | parent | next
Because it’s illogical. Far right implies there is an edge to a majority “right”. Calling the entire majority “far right” is just lazy adhominem attacks. Calling the entire the democrat party far left is equally stupid.
slightwinder | root | parent | next
> Because it’s illogical. Far right implies there is an edge to a majority “right”.

"far right" and "far left" are terms for contextualizing a political stance, based on the world view and actions. It's doesn't matter where the majority of people stands, they can be all far right or far left or in the center, it wouldn't change the definitions.

56w4574 | root | parent | next
In America you generally only see "Far X" used as a slur to basically imply extremism. I'm sure a lot of people will have strong feelings about whether that's accurate or not but my point is mainly that I think it's weird when people in places like Europe go by the academic definition with regard to American politics.
NotYourLawyer | root | parent
No, they’re relative terms. “Far right” doesn’t mean anything in a vacuum.
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cryptonym | root | parent | next
Far-right is well defined globally. Few core values: nationalism, authoritarianism, anti-socialism, economic libertarianism, racial and gender hierarchies, anti-establishment sentiments.

If you think a party is ticking many boxes, you may label it as "far-right".

ImJamal | root | parent
Maybe I am missing something but Trump doesn't support much of that?

> nationalism, authoritarianism

Sure, you could say he supports this.

> anti-socialism

Not a fair right position. This I'd what anybody who is right of the center left position thinks.

> economic libertarianism

Trump doesn't support this. He wants all sorts of tariffs and the like.

> racial and gender hierarchies

I haven't seen any proof he supports such a thing.

> anti-establishment sentiments.

This is not a far right position. This is a populist position.

dns_snek | root | parent | next
Calling the democratic party "far left" is stupid for a different reason, viewed from a global perspective, they're probably best positioned as centre-right.
potato3732842 | root | parent | next
Depends what you care about. Broadly speaking the entire developed world is further left than the US on workplace/business/union policy issues.

The US left (federally, not talking Alabama dems here) is generally more left on immigration, abortion and LGBTQ+ and affirmative action type policies than Europe, broadly speaking. Drug policy is a wash IMO. There's a lot more variation in Europe because the EU doesn't arbitrate social issues the way the US federal government does.

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j-krieger | root | parent | next
This is not true. Their identity politics stances are widely unpopular across the globe, and you won't find another country where they are represented in political discourse.
weberer | root | parent
Can you give some examples of what a far left country or government would be?
spiderfarmer | root | parent | next
Yeah, you’re mixing up a couple facts with opinions here.
loup-vaillant | root | parent
By that reasoning Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy weren't far right, because a very significant portion of their population actually voted for that. Or France now, our "Rassemblement National" used to be far right, but now enough people (about a third) vote for them that they no longer are.

Sorry if that feels like a strawman, but I find the idea of using popularity to determining what counts as "far" stupid and dangerous.

fastball | root | parent
Maybe the problem is with all of you trying to reduce this to one dimension.
blindriver | parent | next
Democrats believe a man who thinks he is a woman is scientifically a woman. They believe in censorship. They believe in supporting and growing the military industrial complex. They believe in a discrimination campaign against whites and Asians, and meanwhile allowing unfettered illegal immigration with the intent of giving amnesty to the millions that entered through the forcibly unguarded border.

They are not centrist by any stretch of the imagination.

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jzackpete | parent | next
Can you name a policy of today's republican party that is further right than the republican party of 20 years ago? From my perspective they've ceded ground on many social issues. They had a porn star speak at the RNC convention this year. Dick Cheney, one of the people responsible for the "War on Terror", endorsed Kamala Harris. The idea that federal politics in the US has shifted right, not left, is baffling to me.
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3np | parent | next
That is one of infinite potential framings. It should be obvious it has served its usefulness and is no longer helpful and constructive.
YetAnotherNick | parent | next
Can you define far right?
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vergessenmir | parent | next
To give you a bit of perspective,the democrats are right of the Conservatives in the UK.

So they would kinda feel feel far-rightish to us only because the democrats are more conservative than ours

carom | parent | next
They are a corporate party, just like the democrats. Supporting secure borders is not far right. Republicans have support of every race, they are not racist despite the media repeating that they are. Trump is very hesitant about getting involved in wars. I see nothing far right about them, maybe they are somewhat nationalistic instead of globalist, but the US is a diverse nation. At the end of the day they are just another corporate party that appealed more to the American people.
markus_zhang | parent | next
Non-American here too, but since your perspective is EU, what is Nazi party when the Republican party is far right? Like, far far far right?
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