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> …without lining Musk pockets even more.

I just can’t fathom the logic here. You say that you don’t want to line Musk’s pockets, but seizing SpaceX/Starlink would cost a trillion dollars or more and all of that money would go to Elon Musk! The government would have to issue a trillion dollars of bonds, agreeing to pay interest on them for decades, and then hand all of the money over to Elon Musk who then doesn’t have to pay that interest.

You’re deluding yourself to think that it’s even feasible. And it’s also a bad idea just on general principles.

I agree that the breakup of AT&T was a mistake though.

You’re conflating “buying” with “seizing.”

    > You’re conflating “buying” with “seizing.”
in what fantasy land are you people living?

if a government just seizes a multi trillion corporation, that government has just signed its economic death warrant. no one will ever trust it again and everyone will start examining jumping ship options.

it will actually lose more economic value the very next day than the value of the corporation it seized. probably in just the bond market alone.

and this even ignores the court challenges that will follow and likely undo the action but not the damage.

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> in what fantasy land are you people living?

Please do not put me into the same group, I never mentioned seizing.

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The argument is that fundamental infrastructure has long run returns and should be controlled by the government. Not sure why this is hard to understand.

And the government should have that assets so it can use it how it wants, subsidise it, deploy it for military reasons, restrict it and soo n.

Yes, Musk would make a lot of money in a one time payment, but he would lose control over the asset and not continue to profit of new subsidies and other ways the government might want to use it.

And it wouldn't cost 'a trillion'.

> agreeing to pay interest on them for decades

Starlink returns are higher then the interest on bonds.

So you are essentially returning future profits to the government.

The government can raise the capital and buy the assets, just like google or amazon could. The logic is the exact same.

> Elon Musk who then doesn’t have to pay that interest.

Not sure what you are talking about.

Musk would have to pay income and capital gains tax, so government would get it pretty cheap.

> You’re deluding yourself to think that it’s even feasible.

Government have nationalised much bigger infrastructure before. Even the US government let alone many others.

Seems like you have a case of US recency bias.