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A tech workers union or a stronger regulatory state could help with this but neither party has been that interested in either of those things for the last 50 years.
> A tech workers union or a stronger regulatory state could help with this

Look to Europe to see how that has worked out.

Well at least from where I'm sitting, it's working fine for us. We aren't in the midst of an oligarchy made up of the Epstein class, for one.

Could thing be better with the tech industry here? Sure, but at the same time, profits and industry leaders aren't the only things that matters. And at the very least companies here can't just exploit the public with total impunity.

I am also a European. Our oligarchy looks different for sure (and look into the history of pedophile scandals in Belgium, BTW).

I am not as optimistic as you. We seem to be stagnating our way into a stark choice between becoming an American tech vassal, a Chinese tech vassal, or losing out the remnants of our ability to compete on the world markets. Half of the continent borrows money at an unsustainable rate in order to pay millions of people to do nothing for decades.

We have made decisions that looked reasonable at the time they were made, but too much has changed in the meantime and now we are stuck in bad equilibria.

The Bismarckian pay-as-you-go pension system was stable as long as people had plenty of kids and died, on average, a few years after retiring. Now they have one kid and spend 20 years in retirement before they die. The maths of that system just does not work out anymore.

The European highly regulated industry was king as long as the rest of the world had no other choice, but now that Asia has industrialized, they are blowing us out of the water. First with lower prices, but now also with quality. German exports are half of what they used to be, with another halving expected. And of course without exports, our current social spending cannot be sustained either - you cannot keep such a massive redistribution mechanism running on an economy based on selling each other cups of coffee in a beach bar.

Our most talented engineers tend to move abroad and stay there. Brain drain is one of the most serious things that can happen to a country or a continent, and we are suffering from it.

We just cannot continue to live like that, something will have to yield, but many voters just don't want to hear that.

> We aren't in the midst of an oligarchy made up of the Epstein class, for one.

Aren't you? Or, haven't you noticed yet?

We are. In the UK we have the former Prince Andrew and Peter Mandelson selling information to Epstein. There are lots of other people all around the world connected to Epstein and mostly investigations are slow or on-existent or blocked through lack of cooperation by the US.

Epstein's network is one we know about because its been exposed and because of the sexual abuse aspect of it has both drawn attention and made people less likely to cover up for those involved. Its only a fraction of the corruption that goes on though.

> We aren't in the midst of an oligarchy made up of the Epstein class, for one.

Europe even has literally hereditary monarchies; let alone an insular upper class who are famous for their debauchery. They just have much less free speech protection so it doesn't get bought up as much because of the legal risks.

Related note, but while looking up some background info on Wikipedia it appears [0] it was technically illegal to publicly insult Donald Trump in Germany at the start of his presidency which would have added a hilarious angle to a classic joke [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9#Germany & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#G...

[1] In the USA, you can stand in front of the White House in Washington, DC, and yell, "Down with Ronald Reagan", and you will not be punished. Equally, you can also stand in Red Square in Moscow and yell, "Down with Ronald Reagan", and you will not be punished.

The US is great for free speech as its constitutionally protected. However it is also very corrupt. Pros and cons.

There are a lot of advantages to constitutional monarchies in terms of stability. The monarchs do not actually have much power. I on balance prefer living in the UK and would not want to move to the US. There are pros and cons, and its culture and society (e.g. unarmed police) as well as politics and some if it is about personal circumstances (as someone who is obviously ethnic minority or foreign everywhere in the world I prefer a less racist society, for example).

I can yell "down with the King" or "down with the Prime Minister" pretty much anywhere. There are some restrictions on protest in a few places like Parliament square.

Though you can't, of course, yell "I support Palestine Action" or you will literally be arrested for terrorism.
Which is why I said the US is better for free speech.

I just think its worse in some other ways.

Hereditary super class is by miles less dangerous then tech bro CEO. The latter are so closed to actually finishing American democracy

Yes, America is somewhat freer then Russia. Despite aligning itself woth Russia, trying to help it as much as possible last years.

But no, America does not have more freedom or human rights defense then Europe. It has also much worst powerty.

You are posting this on a forum made by American venture capitalists, and not a forum made by European tech unions, for a reason.
Curious to know what you think the reason is exactly. Nuclear weapons? Economic imperialism? Ruthlessness?
Indeed I am, and you're right, there is a reason for it. The tech unions don't need to capture mindshare in order to advertise VC-funded startups ;)

We shouldn't assume that YC is hosting this forum out of benevolence. However it is true that this place is also useful for things other than just advertisement, so that's a neat side effect. We just shouldn't assume that that's the primary purpose of HN.

Can you read the non English speaking forums? Because they exist and people post on it but if you're a monolingual American you won't know it.