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Funny, they have no problem handling mail for essentially every Fortune 500 company and others large and small.

It's always people self-hosting mail on a shared server in Moldova (because they think it makes them cool) that are complaining.

Self hosting mail on a shared server in Moldova is basically the entire idea behind email (and the internet).

Which with cheap models like Jev as spam classifiers, this can now become a reality.

The problem is, Google and Microsoft have monopolized the entire email market, so their esoteric deliverability mysticism from 2007 still persists (basically blanket bans on entire IP spaces, locking out anybody trying to send emails on their own).

People used to have party lines and leave their doors unlocked too, but it turns out the world is filled with bad actors and other assorted shitty people.

Email naturally followed this evolution.

The problem isn't that a random person can't rent a Moldova VPS and run an email server, though. It's that most people are forced into gmail, apple and outlook accounts if they want to use phone/PC, and a respectful Moldova company now can't reach their respective Moldova clients without paying money towards USA.

Switch Moldova to almost any country (or even a state that isn't California or Washington), and it's the same story everywhere

The bad actors are actually using mostly gmail and outlook accounts so this is a weak justification.
So naturally everyone should just leave e-mail to be run by all the corporations.

You shouldn't own your car or your house, give them to all the corporations as well.

You might be on to something with the car thing... Maybe most people should rely on public transit.
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Nothing is stopping you and your three friends from running your own SMTP servers and emailing each other.

As soon as you want to do business with Outlook's customers, you play by their rules.

This is one thing I find more on Hacker News than most other discussion sites. Any topic about annoying or bad behaviour by corporations eventually devolves to "they're allowed to do it".

"They're allowed to do it" is one of those things that doesn't really bear saying so much because that's already been implicitly established. Nobody is claiming what they're doing is illegal, so how does this add anything of value? Who is still unaware that corporations will use their size and market control to their benefit?

> As soon as you want to do business with Outlook's customers, you play by their rules.

"Their rules" seems to be turning into "you spend money to another corporation that we trust".

Some of us still leave our doors unlocked, too.

I've never even had the key to mine. I've lived here over a decade.

> Which with cheap models like Jev as spam classifiers, this can now become a reality.

With LLMs on the other side trying to make spam less detectable by cheap models like Jev?

It's funny when people assume benefits from some tech go one way and baddies will surely never use it...

Nope, people self-hosting mail on their own hardware from their own basement in Serbia ;)

https://www.mimar.rs/blog/a-journey-of-my-mx-server-to-new-r...

And yes, it's cool not to have to let scum read your private communications :D

Err we are part of a Fortune 500 and we can't even deliver to ourselves sometimes.
Maybe because every Fortune 500 company (and 99% of all large companies / orgs worldwide) uses O365 / Exchange / GSuite?