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RunSet | on: The Hackintosh Reborn
More than that, I wish I could get all the apple crap off the drive that is glued into the Macbook.

That is something asahi has vowed to never enable.

https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/security/#apples-unspok...

It might have worked out better if Apple had forbidden Linux on Apple Silicon instead of controlling a pet Linux project.

pcwalton | parent | next
You're never going to be able to get the Apple code off an Apple Silicon Mac anyway, because of the enormous amount of proprietary firmware that the OS has to interface with. Apple Silicon devices offload an exceptional amount of hardware functionality to firmware blobs that the OS just sends messages to. Removing the macOS container wouldn't change this.
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rafram | parent | next
As far as I know, the Asahi project has absolutely no communication with Apple. It’s not Apple’s “pet” project and they don’t control it.
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Joel_Mckay | parent | next
Tying is technically illegal, and allowing other OS to be installed is your only real defense as a business. Some ignore these laws with software, but do so at their own peril.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

Note, keeping competitors barely operational inside a walled garden is classic Apple policy. No other company has the goodwill inertia to pull off such stunts. =3

29083011397778 | root | parent
> Tying (informally, product tying) is the practice of selling one product or service as a mandatory addition to the purchase of a different product or service

MacOS isn't sold anymore, it's a free download for all supported Macs - meaning Apple is not "selling one product or service as a mandatory addition to the purchase of a different product", regardless of which product you think is being tied to the other (hardware or software).

I can see where you're coming from, but Apple wouldn't necessarily be in trouble due to the wording of the law. Maybe in some countries where the spirit of a law matters more than the specific wording, but we're quoting US legal definitions here, and my mental model of the US legal system has the phrasing mattering more than the intention

Joel_Mckay | root | parent
You may have missed the context of the conversation, and the sales-funnel of the app store installed along with the "OS". =3
AnthonyMouse | root | parent
It's also missing the condition. macOS is only "free" after you buy their hardware, i.e. acquiring it is still tied to buying the hardware. If it was actually independently available for free then you wouldn't be prohibited from running it on other hardware.

See also Windows and Internet Explorer.

carlosjobim | root | parent
Neither MacOS nor iOS are anywhere near being dominant in their markets in the same way Microsoft was with Windows.

Ford isn't getting sued either for only selling cars with Ford motors inside.

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dmitrygr | parent
You object to their extremely well-explained well-argued and sane position, but make no argument why or what position you prefer?

> instead of controlling a pet Linux project.

Huh? Apple does not control Asahi and never did.