Hacker News new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit
FuriouslyAdrift | on: Kimi K3.1 Pro model weights are out
We're running Kimi 2.8 on a 4x AMD MI300A single server on-premise that cost about $110k.

We will break even from our old Claude spend in about 2 weeks.

It services 30-40 analysts and staff concurrently and is faster than any of the SaaS out there for us.

flossly | parent | next
Wow... I'd like to know more. 40 analysts not spending 100USD/month is 4k/month saved. That means you break even in 27 months. But you probably used Claude much more than that.

Also what harness do you use? Any problems you encountered on the way?

FuriouslyAdrift | root | parent | next
Just one of our analysts was burning around 30-40 million tokens per project.

EDIT: per project, not per month

EDIT 2: digging out an old bill from 8 months ago when we bought the server, $14k per month is what we were running and it was going up, a lot.

Moto7451 | root | parent | next
Anthropic is very good at either convincing or forcing (I’m not sure which) companies to pay for tokens rather than for subscriptions. My old job moved from subs to tokens and everyone started running out of budget mid month. It was a bad move for a company that laid off all of QA and 2/3 of Engineering and committed to everyone making up for it with LLMs.
mosselman | root | parent
I don't get this, why do people pay for API tokens at all? What is the reasoning?
ghshephard | root | parent | next
I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI offer subscriptions to enterprises - it's a hobbyist/solo-entrepreneur kind of thing. I seem to recall SpaceXAI had some kind of hack going where they were trying to use subs with Anthropic and then got cut off.

Enterprises also need very stringent IP protections that you don't get through the subscriptions. Even the Anthropic-API per token license isn't great - sometimes you need to go to 3rd parties like AWS Bedrock to get guarantees regarding no multi-tenant GPUs.

darkwater | root | parent
You can have subscriptions up to 150 seats with Anthropic.
mattnewton | root | parent | next
Zero Data Retention is the big one I think (and also the ToS don't allow multiple personal accounts for businesses anyways)
kay_o | root | parent | next
You are forbidden from the subscriptions on enterprise
bonoboTP | root | parent
Claude Teams exists.
KptMarchewa | root | parent
No Zero Data Retention there.
rat9988 | root | parent | next
They don't have the choice to begin with
dools | root | parent | next
I have only ever paid for tokens and never used subscriptions because I need to know that I can generate sufficient real world value at the true cost of inference.
trentor | root | parent | next
Oh boy... we are talking about insane token spends in corps at the moment. 100$ is a blip.
cute_boi | root | parent
I think you should compare with api cost? I am using $200 plan and it is probably around $12k in token cost....
codedokode | root | parent | next
Are $12K worth of token guaranteed or the company may adjust token generation speeds?
| root | parent
{"deleted":true,"id":50374934,"parent":50371808,"time":1793850627,"type":"comment"}
StilesCrisis | parent | next
Are they happy with Kimi 2.8's reasoning ability? I haven't tried it.
FuriouslyAdrift | root | parent | next
It's worked out. Definitely not frontier but it's the largest model that works reliably on our hardware. We also try some smaller ones when they come out.
komali2 | root | parent
Kimi is also a lot more willing to do whatever tf you ask it such as vulnerability scanning or PoC development. Or reverse engineering.

Plus on prem can go find abliterated models.

It's an advantage that keeps me coming back for local models when I can't get around Claude or Codex's little blockers.

segmondy | parent | next
There's no Kimi 2.8 as far as open weight is concerned. WTF. This must be a bot and other bots.
nxdmum | root | parent | next
If you take the kimi plan you would have seen kimi 2.8 preview alongside kimi 2.7
gessha | root | parent
Maybe they're talking about parameter count?
LugosFergus | parent | next
How bad did the electric bill get hit?
FuriouslyAdrift | root | parent
We have a data center already and we're in heavy industrial manufacturing. It didn't even register in our usage.