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moinism | on: Launch HN: Kino AI (YC S23) – AI media manager and video editor
Truly amazing work Luke and team! Been following Kino for a while now and just looked at your website (a lot better than prev!) the other day.

I'm also working on an agentic video product (chatoctopus.com), and I can tell how hard it is compared to what influencer of X (Opus made it in an hour, etc) make it seem like. They don't tell how many times they corrected it, how long it took, and how much it cost.

You are one of the four YC companies I know of (Cardboard, Palmier, and Motion/Mosaic being other three) working on that, so I keep visiting occasionally to see if I can get "inspired" by something new.

lukeigel | parent
Thanks for the kind words! A new user who has also trudged through these many new "agentic editors" said that the following things set Kino apart in his mind (copying this over from his message):

- True multiplayer Google Docs like editing, which legacy NLEs haven’t done particularly well

- Integrated review and feedback

- Support for local media, which a lot of cloud editors lack

To support the above we needed to build beyond just a single player editor that agents love. All the infrastructure for collaboration, storage, and complex projects had to come too.

mikeraposa | root | parent
The local scrub plus cloud render split is the part I would poke at first. I build a desktop video editor on my own, and the bug class that has cost me the most time by far is the preview and the export disagreeing. Two decode paths, two color assumptions, and a frame that looked right on the timeline comes out shifted in the file.

Mine broke on something small. A Display P3 tagged still looked right on the timeline and came out different in the file, because the preview path and the export path handled the color tag differently. Nobody notices until they open the finished export. How are you keeping the proxy scrub and the final render honest with each other?

lukeigel | root | parent
Unlike other tools that bring video editing to the browser, we render locally and let you scrub your original footage! The proxies are for your teammates who want to see what you see, but they can also get the original footage through Kino's storage