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gdiamos | on: Anthropic blocks users for anything touching training larger models
Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

I ask it questions about large models like big MoEs all the time. I’ve never had it refuse a question, but I would expect it to refuse sometimes.

For training data from existing models I just get open models to spill their guts. It’s fine

In industry we train employees to not reveal proprietary information.

I think it would be easier to do this for a model than a lot of employees

arjie | parent | next
Strangely I do that quite often. When my personal agent fails at a browser task, I have Claude browse the page and rebuild it as an eval and then run an iteration loop in Claude code. Just does it to prompt Deepseek.
cisc | parent
> Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

Why draw any line? Anthropic doesn't. They actively take the world's intellectual property, don't pay for it, and put it behind a paywall.

> but I would expect it to refuse sometimes.

Why? Anthropic's dream is to be exempted from copyright altogether. They've been trying to achieve exactly that:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/oct/02/anthropic...

Given they want no restrictions on them, why should there be any restriction on anyone else?

gdiamos | root | parent | next
One of my points of my ethical framework is that IP is valuable and should not be stolen.

Another way of saying is that hard work that advances the state of the art should be rewarded. Patents should exist.

I’m sure they are watching what I’m doing and would retaliate via service cut off and legal action if I crossed it egregiously and they found out.

I would do the same thing if a user or employee did this to my IP.

I don’t completely buy the argument of web scraping being an IP violation.

I don’t send my core ip in an email to my main competitors and I don’t post it on the internet.

cisc | root | parent | next
> One of my points of my ethical framework is that IP is valuable and should not be stolen.

Anthropic's business model is premised on intellectual property theft. They take it without paying for it.

You are compromising your ethical framework by using Anthropic's products.

gdiamos | root | parent | next
Downvoted after providing evidence.
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gdiamos | root | parent
That's very click baitey. Do you have an argument or evidence for why?
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simondotau | root | parent
We were never this absolutist about intellectual property when individuals were the perpetrators. I don’t feel morally entitled to criticise Big AI for doing what individuals have done for centuries.
cisc | root | parent
No? The United States disagrees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz

https://www.thedailybeast.com/aaron-swartzs-unbending-prosec...

If an individual had done what Anthropic continues to do then they would be jailed for life.

kelseyfrog | root | parent | next
> Given they want no restrictions on them, why should there be any restriction on anyone else?

Because corporations are not moral agents; they're economic agents. This arrangement would be great for shareholder, nothing more.

gdiamos | root | parent
>> Where I draw the line is asking Claude to label training data. I don’t do this.

> Why draw any line? Anthropic doesn't. They actively take the world's intellectual property, don't pay for it, and put it behind a paywall.

I know a lot of silicon valley founders think like this. I personally don't think that just because someone else violated a boundary makes it okay to do it.