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Buttons840 | on: Tell HN: Scribd Breached
I'd feel a lot better if I knew some red team security researchers were going hard trying to break into critical national infrastructure, just to ensure it's not too easy, but probably this isn't happening because it would be a felony to even try. The bad guys are free to try though.

All this will tend to get blamed on AI, but AI didn't put these vulnerabilities into place. AI is just a tool that can be used to discover vulnerabilities, and the only question we have to answer is whether or not that tool should be available to regular people.

Some will try to frame the question as being about whether we should allow AI aid in cyber-security, but that's not the question. This technology isn't going away. The bad guys will have it. Nations will have it. Again, the question is, can regular people also continue to have it?

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As someone who has helped to secure critical national infrastructure several years ago, I can say that it was a mess to disclose the vulnerabilities I identified, and in some cases it took years to patch them. Some of these vulnerabilities were RCEs and mass PII leaks. It's simply not worth the risk for most people - who aren't in the USA - to bother doing this sort of security research. However, if you are in the USA, there are provisions in the CFAA that enable good-faith security research to take place (https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/department-justice-a...), so to the best of my understanding, you're able to do good-faith research without being charged or prosecuted, and you should take advantage of this if you have the skills or models to do so. I am not based in the USA, and there are no laws in my country that guarantee me zero jail time for simply trying to do the right thing, so I am not incentivized to continue finding vulnerabilities in my country's infrastructure.

Edit: If other countries don't catch up and include similar provisions in their laws, they'll simply fall behind and put their citizens at risk. I'm sure every country has individuals willing to help that currently feel unsafe - look at the large amount of bug bounty hunters worldwide who, I'm sure, wouldn't mind practicing their skills by securing their country's infrastructure.

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It is absolutely happening, paid by your taxpayer dollars (if you’re American).

Most major countries have this kind of programs. Those could probably be bigger and they will always miss obvious stuff but they exist, at least for CNI.

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imagine if we just turned off 90% of the non-critical internet for two weeks, hardened up in an absolute mad dash where everyone has access to top tier cyber models, and then afterwards we go back to business as usual. it’d be a disaster short-term but long-term would it be worse than the years of slow drip we’re about to go through? idk! I kinda think it’d be interesting to find out!
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AspireOne | parent
Regular people are often bad guys too, you know. If the reality was "bad guys will have it. Should regular people too?" The entire core dilemma would be entirely eliminated lol.