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Yeah and that's fucking ridiculous and a damning indictment of the glaring incompetence of train companies.

If I can have reasonably accurate gps readings of my phone while I'm on the train, there is zero reason for train companies to not have systems that are at least as accurate.

Does your phone's GPS work in a tunnel? What happens if GPS ever gets jammed (or worse, spoofed)?

Aviation also doesn't exclusively rely on GNSS positioning, so why should train protection, given that it's also extremely safety critical?

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Part of the problem is multiple tracks. Those tracks may be only 10 feet (3 m) apart. (I don't know if high-speed rail lines in Spain are that close, and I don't know if the line where the accident occurred was double track.)

"Reasonably accurate GPS" trying to determine which track you're on at 150 mph is not as simple as you make it sound. Yeah, it can determine how far along the track you are. But when you get two trains moving toward each other, each at 150 MPH, do you really trust that GPS to tell you that they're on different tracks?

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Trains can't change lanes without warning like a Nissan Altima on the Dan Ryan Expressway. The only way a train can move from one track to an adjacent track -- or get on the first track in the first place -- is if switches are set to allow the train onto that track. And on any modern high-speed line, those switches are centrally controlled by dispatch.

Keeping track of which parallel track a train was on automatically was a solved problem a hundred years ago, using relays and lights and hard-wired logic. Adding computers and GPS greatly increases the precision with which dispatch knows position and speed along the track, but knowing which track has not changed in the last century.

Yes, but as long as the central signalling system is working, it already knows where the train is, with no need to involve GPS. (And where modern signalling and train protection systems need increased precision as compared to the granularity of track circuits/axle counter sections, the solution usually involves a combination of on-train odometry plus track balises at occasional intervals in order to reset any inaccuracies that might have accumulated.)

What we're talking about here is some sort of TCAS-equivalent for the case where the central signalling is down – while it's easy to accurately localise trains with the aid of a central signalling system that authoritatively knows about the infrastructure layout, it's quite more difficult when you're trying to do the same thing in a decentralised, train-local fashion.

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>Trains can't change lanes without warning

Oh, they can, but it's usually a very traumatic event.

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It's very easy since there is limited ability for trains to change tracks, so the location history of the train is a strong indicator of which track it is on. Even Google Maps can tell you which lane you are in since god knows when, and cars can freely change lanes. And that's just consumer software. For something commercial like a train they could trivially solve this problem with something more robust. But I'm not familiar with the Spanish system; how much of the engineering did they do?
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Would that work in tunnels and forests too?
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> a damning indictment of the glaring incompetence of train companies.

No, what I describe has nothing to do with the companies, that's the research state. It's just an indictment of you making bold statement about a subject, you don't now enough about.

> I can have reasonably accurate gps readings of my phone

Would you dare to cross on a rope over a deep valley, blind using only GPS readings of your phone? Because that's kind what you are suggesting, expect you also move a few hundred other people.

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