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> NetBSD userland is not?

Honestly, no.

I just reviewed version 11. It's a pain to install, a pain to configure, a pain to add a proper desktop, etc. If you do manage to install a desktop environment, the ones in the NetBSD repos are mostly long out of date.

https://www.theregister.com/os-platforms/2026/08/20/netbsd-1...

The community is great. The mailing list tried very hard to help me to install and run CDE.

After 3 days of trying, I gave up. For reference, this was my 2nd or 3rd try.

No, the NetBSD userland is not good, and the docs are not great either. There are an absolute tonne of implicit assumptions of knowledge that newcomers won't have.

An example:

https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/chap-upgrading.html

The recommended way is "boot from install medium, install over the top". Note that the handbook does not actually say this, and goes on to detail an alternative method called "sysupgrade" which looks much like the OpenBSD method and resembles conventional Linux system upgrade methods.

So I tried that. It irretrievably destroyed my only bare metal install.

To forestall an inevitable comment: it's a testbed, so no, I did not have any backups. It contains -- well, contained -- no data at all.

I was wondering whether the Guide pointed to the actual doco. The Guide is not perfect. I had not yet checked. (NetBSD has a Guide; FreeBSD has a Handbook; OpenBSD has a FAQ. One of the reasons for keeping the names straight is that there is something else called by its authors the OpenBSD Handbook, which is not produced by the OpenBSD people, and is a perennial thorn in their sides when people come to them with "I read in your Handbook that …" problems.)

Reading that chapter, it turns out that it does. Maybe it should stress the point more, but the actual doco is the likes of these:

* https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-11.0/evbarm-aarch64...

* https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-11.0/i386/INSTALL.h...

* https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-11.0/amd64/INSTALL....

* https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-11.0/amiga/INSTALL....

* https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-11.0/sparc64/INSTAL...

… and so forth. Plus the manual pages for postinstall(8) and the like.

You wasted a fair bit of people's time trying and failing to get any information out of you about what you had done [1].

Your "irretrievably destroyed" system was always recoverable.

[1] https://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2026/08/18/msg034...

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IDK what went wrong. Last time I installed netBSD (a year ago or so), it was a breeze. I loved it and the manual pages were top notch. It felt like what Debian could've been if systemd didn't exist.

The first time I installed netBSD was almost 20 years ago and it worked even back then, but it was rather limited. IIRC they were (one of) the first to have Xen, that was pretty cool imho.

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