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pfdietz | on: Solar power is becoming bigger than nuclear
That's what they're focusing on to start with, but the temperature is high enough to drive heat engines to make power. There's more on the concept at the seed company's (Orca Sciences) web site and at Austin Vernon's blog.

https://www.orcasciences.com/articles/standard-thermal

https://austinvernon.substack.com/p/building-ultra-cheap-ene...

They talk about temperature up to ~600 C, which I believe is limited by the desire to use cheap steal (much hotter and creep becomes a problem). This is also perhaps not coincidentally about the temperature of steam from a coal fired boiler, so one of the eventual goals is to repower retired coal fired power plants with this storage providing the heat instead of coal combustion.

You're right this is not good for something needed "a few times a year" for relatively short periods, for example to cover Dunkelflauten. Combustion of an e-fuel is better for that. But it's well suited to seasonal storage of solar energy, as that would be extracted over months, more or less continuously. The resistive heaters should also be much cheaper per W than electrolyzers.

bryanlarsen | parent | next
> But it's well suited to seasonal storage of solar energy, as that would be extracted over months, more or less continuously.

But what is that useful for? During almost all of those months it would be a lot cheaper to use renewables & short term storage. And it's not fast enough for the few days it's not beaten by something cheaper.

pfdietz | root | parent
It's useful for storing cheap solar energy for use in winter. Sizing the solar collectors for winter would require them to be much larger. Basically, this lets 2.5 W of solar in summer deliver 1 W of solar in winter. For a high latitude where the change in insolation is higher than that, this is superior. In Hamburg, for example, insolation varies by more than a factor of 10 from July to December.

Put another way: if you oversize the solar to be adequate in winter, you have enormous amounts of surplus solar in summer. So why not store it?

bryanlarsen | root | parent
> So why not store it?

Because 0.10 $/kWh(th) / 0.4 kWh(e)/kWh(th) is expensive.

pfdietz | root | parent
That's the capex for storage capacity. It's amortized over the number of charge/discharge cycles. Divide by 20 or more. It's amazingly cheap, actually.
skybrian | parent
I thought that post was interesting when I read it over a year ago, but the startup seems to have gone dark since then.
pfdietz | root | parent
They appear to be focusing on Europe, and have raised $11M (or maybe 11M euros, I'm not sure which). There is some favorable buzz in Germany, which makes sense because natural gas has become quite expensive there.

https://www.cleanthinking.de/thermischer-erdspeicher-erdhueg...