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jamienk | on: Kimi K3.1 Pro and K3.1 Pro Highspeed
In looking into what Anthropic has accused the Chinese AI companies of, "distillation" is not the crux of the matter: they accuse them of the use of massive numbers of breached computers and credit cards. Supposedly (though not explicitly demonstrated) distillation campaigns used "dark web" resources (like stolen and faked credit cards and p0wned IOT devices, routers, etc) that were used to create many many accounts for distillation. (Note: I am generally in favor of distillation - it is "normal" use as far as I can see.)

So there are these "resources" out there: massive botnets, stolen credit cards and credentials, etc. These often seem to be linked to or supported by state actors.

How can we hope that these "standing reserves" aren't used generally by AIs as if they are just another "skill" they know how to leverage?

Our infrastructures need serious hardening.

SR2Z | parent | next
I imagine that Chinese AI labs would be more than happy to pay for tokens to train on. If Anthropic goes and bans them as quickly as it can identify to them, of course they'll shift to using lots of cheaply obtained sockpuppets to keep getting the same data.

I doubt that an AI could do anything with these that legions of scammers haven't already figured out how to do - after all, it's not like AI set up this distillation setup in the first place :)

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jacquesm | parent | next
Why do we believe all of this without a shred of actual proof. Breached computers and stolen cards is straight up crime, you'd think that there would be a lawsuit or two then.
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tarpitt | parent | next
Hardening against what? Apologies if I am being dense here.

The way I see it, automated systems should basicially have access to the financial system anyways. This is some of the appeal of cryptocurrency.

Sybil resistance built into the traditional financial system (for example firewalling based on residential IP, requiring banking apps, etc.) is a massive annoyance that can obviously by circumvented at scale.

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__MatrixMan__ | parent | next
Hardening in this case could mean biometrics, or it could mean rethinking the trust model so that controlling an army of duplicates confers no advantage because you have to be trusted in order to do any damage anyhow. Containing multitudes buys you nothing.

I hope we chose the latter. Biometrics are creepy.

jsw97 | parent | next
Color me naive but I can’t believe that approach works at any reasonable scale. Any meaningful token spend at distillation scale would be raising alarm bells at all the cc issuers.
johnnyApplePRNG | parent
No offense but you don't know what you're talking about.

Spitballing random pr pieces from companies about to IPO is not helpful to anyone, fyi.

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