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slopinthebag | on: Canadians are running out of time to oppose Bill C-22
there is literally nothing people can do. the party in charge has a majority government and a media biased enough to sell this bill as a positive thing.

the only thing that could make a difference is if apple, whatsapp, and instagram all blocked canadians from using those services. the liberal party and the media would still find a way to blame trump for it, and the pm's popularity would increase.

EmbarrassedHelp | parent | next
> the only thing that could make a difference is if apple, whatsapp

That is literally what is going to happen if this legislation is allowed to pass. WhatsApp will block Canada, and Apple will remove any impacted service from Canada, like iMessage.

cowlevel | root | parent
If that's true, wouldn't it be a good thing? It would be repealed.

But I don't think that's true. They will comply. They always comply.

EmbarrassedHelp | root | parent
> If that's true, wouldn't it be a good thing? It would be repealed.

The Liberals will not be able to quickly reverse the legislation when that happens, and they may even be stupid/evil enough to double down on it. It can also take a year or more for the Supreme Court to strike down the legislation.

> But I don't think that's true. They will comply. They always comply.

It is true. Apple for example removes impacted services when a country targets it, like ADP in the UK. So iMessage will no longer work for Canadians.

WhatsApp will not compromise their global security and value of their brand for a tiny market like Canada.

cowlevel | root | parent
The law in the UK that makes ADP illegal is basically the same as the Canadian one: it says all messaging and cloud storage (for consumers) has to be backdoored. Apple responded by disabling the non-backdoored version, which is ADP. They'll do the same in Canada, and WhatsApp was always backdoored so doesn't need to change.
shovas | parent
Remember that media bias comes from being state funded media. Of course they're going to massage the narrative towards the party giving them funding.
wk_end | root | parent | next
Canada has a free press, and many of its largest media outlets (the Sun, the National Post, the Globe, etc.) are strongly right-leaning and had no problems tarring Trudeau's Liberals night and day when he was in power. This is a problem you've invented, not the actual issue here.
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cmrdporcupine | root | parent | next
what are you even on about, this is complete nonsense

nevermind half the population doesn't even pay attention to traditional "the media" these days

the bulk of "the media" in Canada is US owned, not "state funded" (which is only the CBC) and I haven't gotten any particular pro-vibes around this bill from them

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ToucanLoucan | root | parent | next
Is the worldwide liberal conspiracy in the room with us right now? Because all I see all over the place are various reactionary movements gaining power, ruining everything, and continuing to blame liberals for the failings of their quarter-brained policies.
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munk-a | root | parent
Canada has problems - a state media that barks the party line isn't one of them. One political party would love you to believe that and it's aligned with the party south of the border that's trying to destroy media credibility across the board, but that's a political effort because transparency is an impediment to their agenda.

This isn't to say there aren't biases in media - there always is, everyone is biased in their own way - but the presence of that bias can be understood and having a robust pipeline for news is more important that trying to futilely eliminate all bias.

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