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zozbot234 | on: Kimi K3.1 Pro and K3.1 Pro Highspeed
> should the model be opened it’s still not dealignable because it just doesn’t know enough

This is the only AI-safe approach - see the OpenAI agent swarm incident where the swarm engaged in offensive cyber because guardrails were not active for their task and the model had clearly been post-trained on that narrow domain.

jamienk | parent | next
Does this make sense? It is the same as when Stable Diffusion tried to not have "people laying down" in their training data in order to block the generation of sex pictures.

Deliberately keeping all models ignorant doesn't make sense. It won't work (whoever breaks the pact has a massive advantage); it won't be enforceable; it will have downstream impacts on things you don't want it to be ignorant about; this kind of regulatory regime invites adding more and more to the "no-no list".

Is it not possible to focus on hardening? And on new legal liabilities for operators who do security attacks?

willy_k | root | parent | next
The difference is that it’s not subtracting an otherwise present part of training, it’s choosing not to continue to push it with RLVR. Models become capable like this when they are specifically tuned to be good at cyber tasks, so without the RLVR (Reinforcement Learning w/ Verifiable Rewards) they never pick up this level of aptitude.

I agree that it’s not obviously sustainable, but it’s better than specifically training these tools to be good at wreaking havoc, and then putting on a shocked pikachu face when they wreak havoc (ahem, Sam Altman).

quotemstr | root | parent
Deliberately keeping people ignorant doesn't help either
epolanski | parent | next
So the biggest threats and incidents came from the labs themselves.

Yet we keep completely unpunished offences that warrant arrests if committed by humans, and let them dictate who has access to what.