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Well most likely consensual noncon given the amount of vetting present in that chart. It's surprisingly common in women, or just a desire for general "gentle roughness".

And idk why it's really worth mentioning anyway, as a gay furry I suppose vanilla normie straights are STILL hung up on what people do with their sex lives. As long as it's legal and consensual who gaf? Y'all, apparently.

Not opining on this one way or another, but the post buries the lede a bit with a one liner that explains where it's coming from, saying that this is all:

> reasonable evidence that their influence isn't prevalent because they're right, and that they would have ulterior motives for continuing to preach that the world is coming to an end even if evidence showed otherwise.

So how they enjoy their sex lives is dependant on continuing to preach AI catastrophism? I don't buy it. Lots of poly folks out here that probably don't care much about AI one way or another.
No one is claiming that all poly people have some ties to the AI community.

They make a claim about a specific community in San Francisco, that is tied together by a mix of AI doomerism and sexual relations. And it's not at all surprising or some farfetched claim that people who enjoy having sex with someone might adopt their ideas, at least publicly, for fear of losing that sexual connection.

Yeah it is. If they stop preaching AI doomerism then they're out of the cult and won't get invited to orgies anymore.
Are you implying that every rationalist that preaches AI doomerism gets invited to orgies?
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Heh, if you think this post buries the lede, have you ever read anything by the community in question? They seem incapable of saying anything without five part Roman-numbered novel length blog posts.

I think this article kind of misses a crucial point. They weren't always AI doomers, that's a thing they picked up along the way. Their core beliefs are 1. That they are the smartest, and 2. That this makes them morally superior because consequentialism (This sort of follows. If you believe in consequentialism, leaving all your decisions to the superior consequence predictor is surely the moral thing to do)

Maybe one day they will stop believing in AI doom, but they will never, ever stop believing they belong to the intellectually and thus morally elect. The day any of them do that they have either broken with the cult or died.

> They seem incapable of saying anything without five part Roman-numbered novel length blog posts.

Maybe that’s why they’re so pissed, ChatGPT’s useless verbosity is threatening to put them out of a job.

I'm tempted to say "You're absolutely right" :)

yeah, it's no coincidence that AIs sound a bit like them -- a lot of the people doing the instruction tuning are affiliated with these people.

And it's also a profound self-identity threat to them if that kind of intelligence is nothing special.

The sankey chart refers to her birthday:

https://aella.substack.com/p/my-birthday-gangbang

  With my approval, organizers rejected anyone associated with e/acc, because we don’t need to give nice things to people hastening our doom
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Well, I used to think like that too. Then I became slightly more spiritual, and the very idea of this sort of behavior is bothering, upsetting, irritating. But it mostly evokes pity. Like becoming aware of someone hurting him/herself in some way.

The way I see it, sex is a sort of portal to another world. This sounds a bit weird, but it really does and should have a great deal of meaning behind it, as it is/was central to our species. If it becomes mundane for someone, this really does ruin a lot of that person's life. Even if you completely remove the judgment element. If sex doesn't occur in the context of a love relationship, it's just uncanny territory. It comes with some emptiness.

There's a proper and healthy way to live. This is from my life experience. Stray too much off-course and you will experience consequences. It's just the way things are.

Yes and indulging this appetite is much like any other, a good comparison being the other fundamental one: hunger. I think that also frames it in a way that makes it more concrete as to what the negative aspects are as well as showing that total abstinence is not necessarily an unalloyed virtue. If you don't eat at all you will starve but you can easily eat too much or eat the wrong things and it becomes gluttony at the extremes. Coming up with systems that allow you to cheat the negative aspects also turns pathological in the long run. Deadly sins exist even without the religious framing but the spiritual, social and psychological aspects are very real regardless of what anyone professes to believe.
This sounds incredibly judgemental and imposing of your own world view and moral compass
what is so "incredibly" and "imposing" in the parent comment, that saying «my experience is…», «i feel more in it than many imagine/expect», «factually ruins many lifes», and «it just seem working this way», even «remove the judgment element» ??

it is as gently and friendly of a warning as it could be.

i would say rather less nicely: people! don't be degenerate! it does not worth it. it causes harm to you, to neighbours, to bystanders too, even if you dont intend.

Well OP claiming they get "bothered, upset and irritated" by people having "rape kinks" and "pitying them" sounds kind of judgemental to me. Same goes with "don't be degenerate" for sexual behaviours you do not approve that, somehow, also harm one's neighbours for some reason.
Something being judgemental is not a reason to dismiss it.
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> as a gay furry

> fennec butt

he was hiding in plain sight all along

Indeed. This feels like it's just slut shaming.
I'm relieved to hear a voice of simple decency!

Really, the most questionable thing here is that someone wrote a 2,000+ word essay about someone else's sex life.

It's not about their sex life. It's about how sex connects a community of barely legible AI doomerism.

If you don't understand human social interactions very well, or otherwise assume you live in a "world of ideas", then this may not seem salient. However, it is.

Because what we have to explain is why there's a community of people in northern california who deliver unargued prophecies about the end of human civilisation as-if their prophetic ability is a given.

The answer, unsuprisingly, is sex. This is not an unusual answer in the world of "prophetic communication". What, in the end, is prophecy as a social practice? It is some ideological Leader with followers who impart to that leader a 'charismatic power' of foreknowledge based on their attachement to that leader.

What is the mechanism of this attachemnt? In otherwords: how is this style of prophecy spreading around the AI doomer community, if not by plain argument and evidence? Sex.

> It's surprisingly common in women

This would be a _Fascinating_ citation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/

First hit in a Kagi search.

yeah, if you ignore what the op said, it sounds similar.
I have no idea how trustworthy this study is - but it claims that 62% of women had such a fantasy at least once. How is that not in line with what the OP said about it being "surprisingly common"?
I don't want to hear about it: yours, hers (Aella) and I'm certainly not going to tell you what my deal is, either.

Problem is, Aella has made it her business to speak about it publicly, and the parent commenter(and I)'d be happier if we didn't read about it. It's fine to say that.

I'm not hung up about anything others are doing: but I genuinely, passionately, don't want to be informed about it.

> Problem is, Aella has made it her business to speak about it publicly

Why is that a problem? Just don't read her stuff if you're not interested.

There are lots of people talking all the time about stuff I'm not interested in.

> Why is that a problem? Just don't read her stuff if you're not interested.

I agree, but... If you work hard to become a public figure, you must have known in advance that there'd be public opinions of you, right?

I find it distasteful that people want to be some sort of public figure while expecting that other people's opinions should be private.

That's the solution the parent commenter had! And the gay furry (self identified) complained about! If you have a problem with his announcing the solution (to stop reading) then maybe you should just not read his comment, or my comment, or...
I guess what OP wanted to bring up (as I understood) is that if somebody says "I am straight" it does not usually induce people turning the internet off. But in any case they are free to choose that and that does not really matter in anything (a person not wanting to read sth). I still think it is worth bringing it up as OP did.