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pigpop | on: Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are against LLM usage
Farmers aren't really paid, they sell goods at market prices. Modern farms are more similar to operating a manufacturing business than they are to a salaried position or profession. They don't earn high incomes compared to white collar professions but they do have high revenues and they pay themselves a reasonable middle class income on average with some added benefits from owning large assets and land. The important part about comparing farmers to programmers is that they are both now operating in highly competitive markets with high automation where a single individual can leverage their knowledge and ability using that automation to produce many times more what a person could using only their own labor.
win311fwg | parent
> Farmers aren't really paid, they sell goods at market prices.

"Programmers aren't really paid, they sell services at market prices." — I guess nobody gets paid?

As a farmer myself, when I give someone something I produced and they give me back something in return, I consider myself to be paid. If I did not receive much value in return for what I gave, I'd reasonably consider myself to have not been paid well. I have never met a farmer that would consider that usage unusual. Payment refers to a transaction within the realm of a human activity. The good or service that is being traded between humans is immaterial. While you are free to define words as you see fit, your assertion doesn't really reflect how this is actually used in practice, generally. The rest of the earlier comment makes it clear that the commenter understands how a farm business works.

hunterpayne | root | parent | next
Did someone seriously just down-mod a farmer in a sub-discussion about running a farm?

PS To the "clear-thinking" guy at the top of this thread...this is why...you only think your thinking is clear. If its a topic you know nothing about, devs (not necessarily you) tend to assume there isn't anything to know and that's almost never true.

inigyou | root | parent
Did you seriously just appeal to authority yourself?
arzig | root | parent
What he means to say is that because you are a farmer you are a member of the capital holding classes rather than the lumpen proletariat.

</sarcasm>

win311fwg | root | parent
Most programmers are of the capital holding class too. At very least they will own a computer, which is all the capital you need for 99% of what programmers do. There are exceptions, but there are also exceptions in farming.
inigyou | root | parent
The capital holding class isn't anyone who holds capital. It's anyone whose main function in society is based on holding capital. Think of a landlord.