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Cidan | on: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
Google's internal tooling is still, hands down, better than anything that exists for the scale they operate at, and it's not even close.

Google's processes, however, is hands down the worst thing to exist for the scale they operate at, and it's not even close.

arthurjj | parent | next
I think the internal web tooling was pretty good compared to anyone but AWS circa 2016 but by 2020 when I left it felt a bit antiquated. Similarly they didn't have linters rolled out until it was industry standard iirc.

But BCL is still the worst language I've ever used.

ragall | root | parent | next
> I think the internal web tooling was pretty good compared to anyone but AWS circa 2016 but by 2020 when I left it felt a bit antiquated.

In 2015, the SRE org started project "Prod 2020", with the goal of unifying the SRE stacks and modernizing the web tools. It was quite successful.

If by "web tooling" you mean the tools for producing public-facing HTML services, those were used by a surprisingly small percentage of developers.

> But BCL is still the worst language I've ever used.

I'm an SRE and I think it's quite likely the best infra language I've ever seen.

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frollogaston | root | parent
I still don't understand why all that dynamic config stuff isn't just Python. Sure, static configs should be protos, but GCL is a whole nasty programming language. They came so close with Piccolo and Gmon but still made it not Python. Have heard some language purity rants involving determinism, but I don't buy it. And they keep inventing new stuff like Starlark. They need to stop.
ragall | root | parent
> GCL is a whole nasty programming language. They came so close with Piccolo and Gmon but still made it not Python.

The GCL designers made several mistakes in its design, but the worse was the lack of a versioning that would make language evolution easier, as well as interoperability between different versions. GCL2 solved some issues, mainly cleaning up the interpreter. Still, BCL is IMNSHO by far the best infra language there is.

bushbaba | parent | next
the processes are a result of repeated lawsuit
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coderatlarge | parent
except for most other companies in the world.