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xnx | on: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs
OpenAI and Anthropic have the freedom to do absolutely insane things like negligently hack other companies. It would be stock price suicide if anything even remotely happened with Google.
VulgarExigency | parent | next
There's no doubt in my mind that they set up the conditions for their models to escape the sandboxes. "haha oops our incredibly powerful models escaped we need 1 trillion more dollars and really this is yet another reason why no one else should be allowed to build this technology"
frabcus | root | parent | next
Hmm. And the AISI unintended model hacking yesterday was also just marketing for the British Government?

At some point we have to all accept that powerful AI is most likely dangerous AI as well, almost by definition.

gmerc | root | parent | next
Yes.

> As was standard in our cyber testing, we had intentionally permitted internet access, and model- provider cyber classifiers were deliberately disabled - conditions that do not reflect how frontier models are made available to the public.

pixl97 | root | parent
"No, no, no" a person on Reddit, Hacker News, YouTube screams for the billionth time. "It's all marketing" as the terminator bots kick in the door and slaughter their families.
oblio | root | parent
Cute story. How could they stop this timeline, even if they were true believers?
pixl97 | root | parent | next
Crash society to the point where we can no longer make complicated chips. Of course this really isn't a great solution as it involves billions dying too. Not that someone won't try...

We've signed up on the "If you build it, everyone will die" express. No brakes, no stops, full speed ahead.

frabcus | root | parent | next
At least join PauseAI or similar. Or give money to them. Write to politicians. Read Plan A and tell people about it.
vkou | root | parent
They can't, we are all living in a suicide pact of 'Let these guys do whatever they want, consequences be damned.'
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IsTom | root | parent
It might also be that the security sandbox was haphazardly vibeslopped together.
user43928 | parent | next
If Google put out a blog post about Gemini 4 having escaped its sandbox via 0-day exploit to then hack other companies, I unironically believe this would result in a boost to their stock price.

They could really use some encouraging news about the competitiveness of their AI lab.

xnx | root | parent | next
I wonder if we'll ever know the story of Gemini 3.5 Pro. Is it possible Google saw its potential for hacking, tried to nerf it, and ended up ruining the training run?
dannyw | root | parent
They did publicly mention some partners have had preview access. Maybe we’ll find out one day.
underlipton | root | parent
Yes. These corporations now run on fascist logic. (Hold up, stay with me here.) The goal isn't to right, or ethical, or principled. It's to (appear to) be strong and capable, and loud about it. You end up with horrible things happening that get cheered because they're only horrible along dimensions that don't matter anymore to the people calling the shots. Same thing for amazing developments that get crickets.

Note that I'm not calling Google "literally Hitler". I'm just saying that traditional assumptions about what's virtuous and what isn't don't apply anymore. For now, at least. If anyone wants to change that, they're going to have to be purposeful about it.

somenameforme | parent | next
Google's AI was telling people to put elmer's glue on pizza to help the cheese stick [1], Gemini was turning the Founding Fathers black [2], and more. Oh and the pizza recipe was based on a joke from a reddit user named "fucksmith" - part of data that Google apparently paid some $60 million to Reddit to access. The one and only effect of this was lots of amusing posts and articles. Their stock price went up during the whole ordeal.

[1] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2024/05/31/google-ai-...

[2] - https://www.axios.com/2024/02/23/google-gemini-images-stereo...

ddp26 | parent | next
Would it though? Meta and Microsoft have had very scandalous AI things happen, and their shares didn't tank (or quickly recovered)
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ur-whale | parent | next
> It would be stock price suicide if anything even remotely happened with Google.

aka they're dead in the water.

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