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Replication crisis. More than half of all psychology studies are not reproducible.

I'm at the point honestly, where I don't even consider psychology to be a science anymore.

I wouldn’t assume the cause of the replication crisis is 100% due to a lack of rigor in psychology and the other relevant fields. These fields deal with concepts and phenomena that are often abstract and difficult to measure. In some sense, it’s just harder.

Besides, deciding what is and isn’t science is a question for the philosophy of science, not science itself.

Yes, that's why psychology is the hardest science.
Hard in "hard science" doesn't mean hard as in difficulty, it means hard as in not soft. Soft sciences are difficult to explore since they aren't rigid, they move around as you prod at them etc, you can't get a good grasp of its shape since they are so soft.

Physics on the other hand is hard as in unyielding. It is easy to figure out boundaries of physics and map out what is and isn't true, and the few cases were we made a mistake everyone can agree a mistake was made and that formulas needs to be updated since physics is so extremely hard that even a tiny error will get noticed.

Hope that clears it up, physics isn't hard as in difficult, its hard as in rigid. And psychology is soft, not easy.

So, your statement doesn't make sense at all in this discussion, they just said psychology has soft traits, and then you say "ok, so its hard since its soft!". No, soft is difficult, not hard.

So for example, physics is like describing the shape of a metal spoon, and psychology is like describing the shape of a pillow. You can see how describing the shape of the pillow is massively more difficult, because its not fixed, so you have to come up with a language to describe all the ways it can deform and how that would work.

The replication crisis is not limited to psychology, that was just the first area where it was noted. I saw some meta-study comparing multiple social sciences and according to it replication failure in sociology and educational science was even worse than in psychology.
Unfortunately it also is present in medicine, chemistry and increasingly physics.
If you ever took psych 101, it was immediately obvious it's mostly horse shit. Made up nonsense theory, with studies that have few participants and are done by people who don't know math.
It is both amazing and saddening to me how you can have such an arrogant view of a whole field with just taking a 101 course.
Psych 101 says stuff like people being more willing to accept a date with a person after a scary experience since they mistake their quick beating heart for love, rather than humans sees a scary experience as a stronger signal of bonding than a casual experience.

There is so much simple tests that they draw extreme conclusions from in the very first lectures you hear, and when they teach those things as true when its highly debatable its hard to not throw the entire field in the trash.

Of course there is probably some good psychology work done, but you shouldn't have so many shoddy examples in the first course then since that gives people a bad taste for the entire field.

Take physics 101 (or something, anything from a hard science) and understand how they know what they claim to know, and compare it to psych. It's night and day.

One doesn't need to continue learning a topic to know it's bs when it's bs right from the start.

I did 2 psychology degrees and completely agree with his assessment.

Sorry, most psychological research is sketchy at best, if not blatantly fraudulent

A 101 course should not teach frontiers of research. It should have fundamental established theories upon which the rest of the field is based. My experience with introductory psychology textbooks is that they spend a lot of time discussing ideas discarded decades ago, and then they spend some time discussing ideas that were discarded after the textbook was written. There is typically one poorly explained chapter on neuroscience that the authors summarized from another textbook.
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It’s pretty handy as a signal. The moment someone starts banging on about Jungian this and Freud that, I know immediately to discount anything they say, ever.
But the answer to bad science is good science.
I don't know that it's possible in psych. The economics of doing larger scale studies make it extremely difficult.
A lot of them contradict each other too which is what got me going down the rabbit hole of researching it.
> More than half of all psychology studies are not reproducible.

Do you have a source for this?

There are tons going back to around 2015. Search Replication Crisis and Psychology. Only about 36-39% of studies can be replicated.