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zephen | on: Devtools must be open source
> which is absurd because forking should be a last resort for software that thrives from having a community.

This is true, of course, but having a community is completely orthogonal to whether software is open or closed source.

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bonoboTP | parent
The two are correlated which does encourage that mistaken view. Github culture generally blends these two, having an open issue tracker, pull requests etc. as well as the code right there, often with a free license.

But you can very much allow bug reports and feature requests in public while developing proprietary software and you can also very much work on a project alone or with a small group without being open to random patches, contributions or requests and be open source / FLOSS.

The key definitional question is the license, not any of the cultural stuff.

zephen | root | parent
Plenty of proprietary packages had robust communities well before anything like github existed.

In fact, github is arguably a poor substitute for a community. Look at how communities such as the ones around the linux kernel or cPython communicate. It sure as shit isn't through issues or pull requests. Or rather, perhaps, the limited technical communication that an issue tracker is good for is not a valid large community consensus building mechanism.

> The key definitional question is the license, not any of the cultural stuff.

For direct modification, certainly. For customization, maybe. For ignored issues like the parent to my original comment was bemoaning? Maybe LLMs are good enough that we are almost ready to say "Make me a custom version of Photoshop" and then it doesn't matter.

bonoboTP | root | parent
Yes. I've actually added some features to Blender like this, related to some highly specific use case. Just clone the source point an agent at it, say what you'd want (you have to be able to formulate this in a halfway coherent way), and it succeeded. Now, I haven't thought much about what it would mean to maintain this, but I think if I need this ever again, I can point an AI to it again and say "do the equivalent change now to the latest version". For occasional use this is fine.