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> "probably only 20% chance we all die"

Bad news for you -- there's a 100% chance we all die. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

Logical mistake. There is a difference between every human dying eventually and humanity going extinct. The former doesn't imply the latter. The previous commenter clearly meant the latter.
What makes you think separate nations would effectively cooperate in this way?
Might as well try, no? Or do you think it's better we just risk it? I mean it's not like the West has any hard or soft power to encourage cooperation.
Your 'serious' proposal is unlimited global military bombing campaign on civilian infrastructure by the United States (which is currently losing a war using the same strategy) to 'solve safety' preemptively against a 20% number you just made up?

And you accuse the 'other side' of 'suicidal apathy'??

You should put down the AI and do some self-reflection on how you came to hold these views.

GP said cooperation, never implied the US would do it alone.
> You should put down the AI and do some self-reflection on how you came to hold these views.

I've been in the field for almost 2 decades, and actively thinking about AI risk for over 15 years.

I've always held the controversial opinion that there may come a time where we might unfortunately have to consider using force to protect our civilisation from the threat of ASI, but I've always reframed from openly discussing that because I'm so personally against any use of force and there's always been time for more peaceful options.

Several months ago I changed my tone on AI risk to stop worrying about the optics of what I'm saying because it's too late in the day for me not to speak plainly at this point. Similarly over the last week I've decided I can no longer reframe from advocating for the use of force (if necessary) to stop rouge actors from playing Russian roulette with civilisation.

Please understand I don't want anyone to be harmed. Perhaps you don't agree with my suggestion, but my stance ultimately comes from a position of harm reduction.

> preemptively against a 20% number you just made up?

It's a probability estimate. Happy to expand in detail on why 20% specifically, but first you accept I can't tell you what's going to happen in the future with certainty right? To some degree any prediction you might have about the future will be "made up".

Advocating for nuclear war as a means of 'harm reduction' should be causing you serious cognitive dissonance.

There are dozens of escalating, yet fundamentally less destructive means to prevent a data centers from continuing to operate (if that's the goal). Not starting at those more modest interventions is political malpractice and in opposition to your harm reduction narrative.

Your P(doom) 'probability estimates' are almost certainly based on unbounded exponential growth curves.

Nature abhors such things; I don't make any plans around their existence, and you shouldn't either. Limiting factors always emerge and dominate the curve, tamping it to a logistic at most.

Get involved with real politics by organizing with other human beings that share your values (posting alone and doomsaying is not praxis), or step back from tech and cherish the limited time you have with the people you love.

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If the thesis that "If anybody builds it, everyone dies" is true, or has any chance of becoming true, then it is the logical thing to do. As Geoffrey Hinton said, "If you want to know what it's like not to be the apex intelligence, ask a chicken."
It is not 'logical' to imagine a hypothetical doomsday scenario that justifies a preemptive nuclear war. (which is what the grandparent commenter's bio contemplates, 'nuke the datacenters' is their central credo).

Does it bother you that the people who are publicly cocksure that P(doom) is moments away are the same people that have profited most handsomely from that pronouncement?

That the 'humanists' that want to do 'altruism' for 'potential future humans' and are the same people that commit fraud and theft at a civilizational scale, then sell this 'intelligence' to any child-incinerating militaries with spare cash?

It's not wrong to want to do good, but if a system that is branded 'do (the most) good' commits great evils, you are morally and intellectually obligated to step back and reconsider how you are spending your time.

Also, I asked a chicken and a feral rock dove what it's like to be not be 'apex' and they burbled at me and kept eating millet and sunflower seeds.

Would you like me to follow up with them? I'm not sure what point you expected them to make.

> It is not 'logical' to imagine a hypothetical doomsday scenario that justifies a preemptive nuclear war

You hallucinated the "preemptive nuclear war". He didn't say anything about nukes. That's your own invention.

> Does it bother you that the people who are publicly cocksure that P(doom) is moments away

20% is not "cocksure". The "moments" is again an exaggeration.

I did not, I read kypro's (the OP I was replying to) bio, to whit:

Every problem is a search problem. Nuke the data centers.

P(doom) = 98.9% (Aug-2026) P(doom) = 98.2% (July-2026) P(doom) = 98.2% (Jun-2026) P(doom) = 98.5% (May-2026) P(doom) = 98.8% (mid-April-2026) P(doom) = 98.7% (April-2026) P(doom) = 98.7% (March-2026) P(doom) = 98.5% (mid-Feb-2026) P(doom) = 97% (Feb-2026) P(doom) = 94% (Jan-2026) P(doom) = 93% (Dec-2025) P(doom) = 95% (July-2025)

I've removed the "nuke the data centers" line now.

It's was an expression of my sentiment, not a policy position I'd support. I wrongly assumed that was obvious, but some people are making bad-faith assumptions about me and my sanity.

Not that it should need to be said on a comment thread where I am express concern about civilisation in a post-ASI world, but I obviously don't want to see a nuclear war.

If the Judeo-Bolshevist theses were true, then Operation Barbarossa was the logical thing to do, and everything which came with it.

Powerful word, `if`. "You're not only wrong you're a fulminating psychopath" is a perfectly valid response to getting it wrong like a fulminating psychopath.

You’re not necessarily wrong, but math proofs aren’t going to unify today’s brainrotted population.
> We are now at the point where RSI is feasible

  What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
- Hitchen's Razor
The evidence is abundant and nearly impossible to ignore without increasingly focused effort.
So abundant that you won't link anything? Send a peer-reviewed paper then, let's settle this.
Did you read the article?

AI is a math & computer science problem. If AI can do advanced maths and computer science research, then it can begin to suggest useful algorithmic optimisations.

Right now I'm sure the vast majority of these will be junk, but occasionally, even with current limitations, they might occasionally stumble on something.

It's not really whether RSI is or isn't possible, it's really just whether it's the most efficient way for labs to improve their models today given they have limited compute to run AI-generated experiments and access to very intelligent humans who might have a better hit/miss ratio.

Do you disagree with anything I'm saying here? Do you not think current AIs can suggest algorithmic improvements or something?

There are some genuinely insane takes in this thread on both sides but this takes the cake.
That's because its satire, the tell was "not excluding targeted military strikes"
Gonna say the edit they made removes the satire possibility.
Not satire, but as you can see one is engaging in good faith and everyone is either engaging in character attacks or low-effort counters.

It's fine, and I'm very used to this, but if you want to have a dialogue I'd be very happy to. I'm a very reasonable and sane person outside of apparently holding some controversial views on AI risk =)

I'd love to know why you think what I said was insane?

A few years ago the majority of Hacker News dismissed LLMs as not much more than stochastic parrots who were decades away from doing any serious work, autonomously escaping containment and hacking Hugging Face, or outperforming most professional mathematicians at proving theorems. These things were labeled "insane" and "science fiction" despite the rapid progress we had already seen.

Now you are again postulating that there would be no more extreme progress in the near future. That's actually more "insane".

Being right about the thing that’s genocides all culture and likely worse isn’t such a great thing to brag about, but go ahead.