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simonw | on: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

Anthropic have prices they charge for their models. These prices are what you pay if you use the API, and they are also what you pay if you are an "enterprise" customer - generally any company with 150+ employees.

I haven't seen Anthropic raise the prices of an existing model after it has launched. They sometimes raise prices when they ship a model - Fable is $10/$50 where Opus 4.8 is $5/$25.

They also have monthly subscriptions for individuals, which are a notoriously good deal. THOSE are definitely less trustworthy and predictable than the API list prices, since the subscription allowed quotas can and have changed in the past.

What am I missing here?

ragchronos | parent | next
So this is kind of related, which the other commenter be might be getting at. This might be obvious, but could even these API prices just be running at a loss for Anthropic themselves?
Ucalegon | parent
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simonw | root | parent | next
Anthropic's enterprise pricing has been thoroughly covered over the last few weeks. I've talked to plenty of people who are paying those prices.

You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record.

From your posting history it looks like you have a whole lot more relevant experience with enterprise software deals than I do. Have you learned anything interesting about how Anthropic pricing works?

Ucalegon | root | parent
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lunchbucket | root | parent | next
They told you what they know. Maybe there's enterprise contracts with different prices, maybe there aren't - but evidently this person either isn't aware or can't disclose what they know, and it seems like it's the first one, so what do you want from them?
simonw | root | parent
Which claim are you talking about here?
Ucalegon | root | parent
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simonw | root | parent
I have genuinely no idea what you are talking about at this point.

I said that my session would cost $12.11 at standard Anthropic prices, based on using AgentsView to calculate cost against tokens used. I further asserted that Anthropic charge enterprise customers those rates.

You kicked off a lengthy thread which I tried to follow but eventually lost track of the point you were making and/or the questions you were asking.

And now you're talking about bias and I don't know where that came from either.

Ucalegon | root | parent
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simonw | root | parent | next
Are you worried that the price for enterprises would be higher or lower than the $12.11 I quoted?

I'll grant that it could be lower if enterprises negotiate bulk discounts, though the stories I've seen suggest that's not happening, for example this one: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/anthropic-changes-pr...

I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that?

There are a couple of documented ways you could pay more. Anthropic charge 10% extra for "US-only inference" https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing#dat... - and you can also pay more for "fast mode", though I don't see a quoted price for Fable for that yet (just prices for Opus): https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing#fas...

Ucalegon | root | parent
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peteforde | root | parent
You sound very much like you need a long walk and/or a long hug.

Please go touch some grass.

Ucalegon | root | parent
Just did so, lets see what you did to touch grass.
solenoid0937 | root | parent
What a bizarre comment. simonw is well known and widely respected.
Ucalegon | root | parent
To you, if you have specific issues with what I said, I would love to address them, rather than assuming that Simon is always right. Cause let me tell you...
solenoid0937 | root | parent
You're being bizarrely conspiratorial and litigious. Simonw explained very clearly how pricing works, and you can learn this for yourself as well.
Ucalegon | root | parent
That should be a pricing model that we all have access to. You are more than able to provide that pricing model.

Being litigious, assumes that I have taken legal action, which I have not, so be better with your words.

solenoid0937 | root | parent
There is a pricing model everyone has access to, it's the API pricing model, and it's what simonw quoted. How hard is that to understand?
Ucalegon | root | parent
That is not how enterprise pricing works. Not everything gets the same API model, because not everyone has the same unit economics. But lets make the sane underlying assumptions, does your business work?