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HWR_14 | on: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
> they're not training on the data

How would you know that? You can only know what they say they will do with the data.

usef- | parent | next
Sure, some trust is required that they aren't breaking their own terms of service (which legally enforces that they won't train on your data), but the same is true of every company/service you deal with (AWS, Google, your CRM etc). Their entire business model depends on enterprises trusting them.
coldtea | root | parent
>some trust is required that they aren't breaking their own terms of service

Which companies do all the time...

jefftk | root | parent
But if you're going to take your distrust that far then the issue is that they have your data at all, not that they are telling you that they will retain it for 30 days.
baq | parent | next
Civilization is built on trust, otherwise you’ll need to rebuild all of it yourself. This isn’t very different.
coldtea | root | parent
Civilization is also built on cheating and taking advantage of naive trust. This isn’t very different.
usef- | root | parent
If that were dominantly true nothing would function at all. You trust and rely on thousands of people and services every day.

As others have said, if you're this skeptical I don't see why you would have been using them before this retention increase.

blackoil | parent | next
If that is the question. Those customers anyway won't be using any LLM or cloud services in first place. If you are a jornalist investigating nations, stay away from everything.
zaptheimpaler | parent | next
If you don't trust them, then no policy is enough. Technically everything you send to the model could be stored by them. Personally I do worry about that especially as an average consumer not an enterprise, no one is looking out for us and we don't get any guarantees. But enterprises will get the right treatment because they would find out and sue Anthropic if they lied.
coldtea | root | parent
>If you don't trust them, then no policy is enough.

No policy is enough, period. There should be technical and legal solutions to it.

jamespo | root | parent
There should be legal ramifications if they don't do what they say, but the practical solution is "don't use it".
Rudybega | parent
I mean, if we're assuming they're just willing to lie and violate their own TOS then how could you ever be comfortable with them regardless of this 30 day period (or really any online service)? This seems like a bit of a silly take.