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johnnyApplePRNG | on: Claude Fable 5
> Instead, the safeguards will limit effectiveness through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, or parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT).

Am I to understand that this is essentially their form of social-platform ghosting instead of banning?

So they're not even going to tell you that the question you're asking is against their rules, they're just going to twist up your question and/or the answer somehow such that you waste your time essentially?

It seems like I ran into this EXACT same functionality from Claude many months ago when I was trying to ask it to research on the web and help me setup the ideal llama.cpp config for local llm inference.

Funny how lost it got through that relatively simple install when we had all of the documentation in the world (and a human dev with 20+ years experience guiding it along) to go by... and simultaneously it's debugging and building high level cryptography code in rust in the other terminal tab.

This is infuriating to learn.

digitaltrees | parent | next
I have encountered this too. I am building a coding harness for www.propelcode.app and it was working really well until the claude code leak and then all of the sudden it seems almost intentionally stupid or outright manipulative in guiding me down wrong paths. At this point I am using other models for anything related to the tool use design and implementation and bought three mac studios with 512gb ram to run large open source models.

This experience has made me feel like we have to create a community that moves AI from the mainframe era to the PC era quickly, or we will end up serfs.

ls612 | parent
I had Claude walk me through getting local LLM models running on my Mac a month or two ago and so far as I can tell it was intentionally helpful. I even stated the reason was to have an uncensored model for myself and it had no objection. Long story short LM Studio running a Heretic Gemma 4 is doing just fine on my system now.
vorticalbox | root | parent
I run a few local models for different things. I find Gemma 4 great for writing but qwen better for coding.

I tried the same prompt on gemma4 and qwen 3.5 and Gemma consistently failed to call the multi line edit tool.

brewtide | root | parent | next
I've had the same bad luck with tool-calling on Gemma4. Looking around the web, we are not alone. For other tasks, it's seemingly quite quick and decent.

But it gets stuck in tool call loops, it seems like.

ls612 | root | parent
Oh to be clear I don't think Gemma 4 is suitable for real work. It runs at 10 tps and is somewhere between 4o and o1 in quality according to my subjective judgement. But Claude was happy to correctly tell me how to get it running and how to solve the pitfalls I encountered in that process.