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mips_avatar | on: Claude Fable 5
It's bad that Anthropic can determine what this means. If you're building a modern app you're likely training your own embedding models and now anthropic can just silently sabotage your training pipelines?
abixb | parent | next
>We estimate they will impact ~0.03% of traffic, concentrated in fewer than 0.1% of organizations

At the scale of API requests that Anthropic sees, I think the affected organization count might be substantial, and they might not be getting the full model capability that they're paying top $$$ for.

Also, wonder how they arrived at that estimation.

wongarsu | root | parent | next
One in 1000 organizations and one in 3000 requests is indeed a lot
happyopossum | root | parent
That’s 1 in 30,000 requests…
dragonwriter | root | parent
No, 0.1% is one in 1,000. 0.03 is (approximately) one in 3,000; one in 30,000 is 0.003%
ViscountPenguin | root | parent
You're off by an order of magnitude with those last two.
mediaman | root | parent | next
Double check your math. All of their posts in this thread are correct.

1/30,000 * 100 = .003

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dotancohen | root | parent | next
If it makes you feel more comfortable, throw another significant digit at GP's decimal. Make it a 3 like the previous digit. Now multiply.
monster_truck | root | parent | next
Hey man your computer has a calculator try using it next time
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gck1 | root | parent
Also, aren't all Claude users in their own "organizations" in Anthropic's own terms?
DonsDiscountGas | parent
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Unless your training pipeline involves actively querying one of Anthropic models, no they can't. And if it does you're distilling their model.
VBprogrammer | root | parent | next
The crocodile tears of companies who've hoovered up everything possible, regardless of permissions or legality, now crying that someone else is stealing their hard work is comical.

I don't even think they can believe it themselves, it's in reality they are just trying to throw fear, uncertainty and doubt about potentially cheaper offerings.

JumpCrisscross | root | parent
> crocodile tears

Not what that means.

Crocodile tears "is a colloquial term used to describe a false, insincere display of emotion" [1]. Defending yourself against an attack vector you just exploited is between savvy and hypocritical.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_tears

digitaltrees | root | parent
I think his use of crocodile tears is appropriate, anthropic is feigning a false sense of concern for safety when really it is anticompetitive behavior, and I think that selfish entitlement is related to the original act of intellectual property theft to use the worlds training data, most of which was not public domain, to distill the wisdom for their models. So why do they get to cry about people distilling the knowledge from their models that they themselves distilled from the worlds knowledge?
mediaman | root | parent | next
That is not what their policy states. It specifically says they will sabotage even non-distillation attempts, such as distributed training pipeline design. And given that they are so far very nonperformant in classification accuracy, expect it to randomly include far more topics wide of the mark.

The fun part is that you will never know if your neural net classification project is getting silently sabotaged because their classifier doesn't work!

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gck1 | root | parent | next
Opus 4.8 (or a classifier in front of it) flagged my account and refused to comply when I told it to kill the process. Reasoning summary was complete bananas.

With this in mind, I don't want model to be proactively instructed and encouraged to sabotage without telling me.

edot | root | parent
Same here when I said to “nuke” a process.
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mips_avatar | root | parent
Like if you're using claude code on a feature tangential to your training pipeline it's allowed to nerf itself and damage your AI work.