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qsera | on: Using AI to write better code more slowly
>I argue about design and architecture all day with a robot.

You will outgrow it at some point.

Terretta | parent | next
Or learn something at some point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

stuaxo | root | parent
Yes, this is the way I do stuff.

Try and learn at every point.

bartread | parent | next
I think this is OK though. We can still micromanage[0] the code generation part for a useful productivity boost, I think.

[0] At least, in my experience, "micromanaging" the AI is what gives me the best results. Iterating on the initial design, then iterating on the plan, then reviewing the proposed code changes (including tests), then getting an independent code review from another LLM, etc. If you give an LLM too much latitude that's when the really shitty code and ill-considered breaking changes/obliteration of existing functionality starts to creep in.

rf_physics | parent | next
I feel like there's an overly negative vibe to this response when it just seems like rubber duck debugging - I would assume the user isn't trying to argue like how you might have to argue specs, but is merely trying to clarify their own ideas and learn possible alternatives.
estetlinus | parent | next
Quite the opposite. It’ll most likely “outgrow” us.
Applejinx | root | parent
Can't, it ain't nothing BUT us.

You can wait and see, but that's what'll happen. If we stop it stops.

busterarm | parent | next
nullsanity's comment is dead and downvoted to oblivion but also incredibly underrated.

I was more annoyed than anything that I didn't hit this moment until my 40s.

Except it's not just reddit (I quit reddit 15 years ago). It's the whole internet.

vasco | root | parent | next
What you guys don't understand is that you don't argue with people or robots to teach them. You argue to teach yourself. Until you get out of that mindset, indeed a lot of conversation will seem useless, be it people or robots.
qsera | root | parent
>You argue to teach yourself.

Oh. I am aware. It is not that deep. But who you argues with still matter. There was a point where I have abandoned Reddit and HN. I came back to HN because people here also seem to have grown up. Reddit stays mostly the same.

I credit the moderation here for that, I mean allowing people to grow out of the echo chamber.

BillStrong | root | parent
It does to an extent. One thing I will give AI, because of the nature of LLMs, you are essentially arguing with the median level of the input that trained the model. So, for someone new to the subject, you get access to patterns that will bring them up to a certain level.

Getting past that is problem we face now.

stuaxo | root | parent | next
That may well need more than the models, somehow put it better than me: these LLMs have no taste - nor can they as thins are.
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qsera | root | parent
>nullsanity's comment is dead and downvoted to oblivion but also incredibly underrated.

Yes, I thought the same as well because that was the same line of thought that made me write my comment.

>Except it's not just reddit (I quit reddit 15 years ago). It's the whole internet.

Yea, they are like a slingshot. You need to let go at some point or else it will drag you back.

nullsanity | parent
Its like that phase people go through where they argue with morons on reddit, and then one day grow up and realize that most of these people are unemployed/underemployed terminally online nobodies aren't ever going to learn anything, and even if they did it wouldn't impact the world since they were just some below average hobbyist anyway and aren't in charge of anything more important than a box of paperclips.
dash2 | root | parent | next
Ah, if it’s a robot in charge of the paperclips you need to watch out a bit.
theK | root | parent | next
Mostly with you, though in recent years I have wondered whether those people are part of what caused the latest boom of political populism. If there is no one there to debate the problematic ideas, problematic ideas will become the rhetoric after all.
TeMPOraL | root | parent | next
That might be true on general-population social media, but the opposite is the case in niche groups, and in particular, this very industry we're in - software - was largely built on terminally online hobbyists.
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