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> they were working pretty hard to paper over the fact that they pay a third party to scrape Google

Not the least bit surprising to me. I had the misfortune of talking to Kagi's CEO several years ago. Every word out of his mouth was a lie.

Kagi's the one search company I trust less than Google.

I have found few CEOs capable of telling nothing but the truth. Based on that, I am nearly certain that lying is part of the job description.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
I don't walk around recording every conversation I have.

I'd also argue that calling a tech CEO a liar is far from extraordinary. It'd be extraordinary if I accused him of honesty.

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