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theultdev | on: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data
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arrosenberg | parent | next
> Right, which is why it's still ongoing. They have a year to complete it.

So maybe the President's special boy shouldn't be tweeting that 150 year olds are receiving Social Security payments because he doesn't understand cobol's datetime system. That only way I take these people seriously is the way I would take a toddler with a lit torch seriously.

ganoushoreilly | root | parent | next
We don't have the data in front of us to actually prove your point one way or the other. Resulting to name calling and hyper emotional responses doesn't elicit the behavior of cooperation. Instead, engage on data and facts.

If you said "He's making statements without any data to back up his claims" I'd respond, at this point you're correct, we do not have the data to verify. Collectively we could ask for more transparency. The result is we agree more data is needed.

Aushin | root | parent
A few replies up, when presented with a clear example of the DOGE team having carte blanche access to sensitive government data, you handwaved it away. Don't accuse other people of being hyper-emotional when your own reasoning is so plainly motivated by political sentiment.
ganoushoreilly | root | parent
I didn't. The report came out that it was an accident that was directly rectified. Show me where that's wrong and hand wavy.
Aushin | root | parent
You're telling us to trust the word of people who were caught either lying or being staggeringly incompetent. It's irrational. You're letting your political sentiments cloud your judgement. You're having an emotionally-driven reaction.
ganoushoreilly | root | parent
You’re telling us to trust the word of people being caught either lying or being staggeringly incompetent.
pests | root | parent | next
While I disagree with everything going on, the cobol date time thing is just some myth everyone came up with. Go find me a single source to that claim because I can’t.
aredox | root | parent
The claims from Musk are complete garbage and I have the receipts to show it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43116844

JohnMakin | parent
So, where is your evidence that fraud of such scale is happening in the federal budget that requires unprecedented (and likely extremely illegal) access by people who are not qualified to be running a gas station IT system, let alone the entire financial and IT backend of the federal government? This is such a dishonest discussion and I suspect you types know it.
theultdev | root | parent
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hypothesis | root | parent | next
> Fraud has already been posted everywhere ($55b and counting) so if you haven't seen it, you aren't looking.

Not too surprising to find another propaganda victim…

Here, I did your research for you:

> After correcting an apparent clerical error, it now shows $8.5 billion.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/19/nx-s1-5302705/doge-overstates...

archagon | root | parent | next
Further proof that this is not an “audit,” but a show trial.
Aushin | root | parent
And NPR could only confirm 2 billion of those contracts were actually canceled. It's an endless fountain of bullshit.
ganoushoreilly | root | parent
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thr0w4w47 | root | parent | next
He doesn't seem upset to me.

Why can't you follow comment guidelines?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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thr0w4w47 | root | parent
Frivolous spending != fraud.

Please read commenting guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

theultdev | root | parent
Is there a difference when it comes to the taxpayer?

It's all waste. Fraud if there were kickbacks, we'll see about that.

thr0w4w47 | root | parent
Maybe there is no difference, but I think honest framing matters.

> "Fraud has already been posted everywhere ($55b and counting)"

I'm looking for some evidence to support your $55 billion fraud claim, not just $55 billion in waste. If it's been "posted everywhere", please link to it!

theultdev | root | parent
> just $55 billion in waste

"Just" lol. After a month.

Replace the fraud w/ waste if that makes you feel better about the audit.

I'm sure investigations will reveal fraud, it takes awhile to build a case.

But even if there is zero fraud (fat chance), gotta love the savings from waste cuts!

thr0w4w47 | root | parent | next
Dang, I was really excited to read about the $55 billion in fraud after you claimed that it has been "posted everywhere". :(

Please let me know when you find the evidence!

Also, I never said I dislike the audit. I do, however, dislike dishonest framing.

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