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1dom | on: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax
I agree.

I'm all for Graham's pyramid of disagreement: we should focus on the core argument, rather than superfluous things like tone, or character, or capitalisation.

But this is too much for me personally. I just realised I consider the complete lack of capitalisation on a piece of public intellectual work to be obnoxious. Sorry, it's impractical, distracting and generates unnecessary cognitive load for everyone else.

You're the top comment right now, and it's not about the content of the article at all, which is a real shame. All the wasted thought cycles across so many people :(

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jiggawatts | parent
It's a fad associated with AI, popularised by Sam Altman especially.

It's the new black turtleneck that everyone is wearing, but will swear upon their mother's life isn't because they're copying Steve Jobs.

meowface | root | parent | next
Twitter and all forms of instant messaging (SMS, WhatsApp, Discord, and the older ones like AIM/MSN/ICQ) have normalized it for many years. Sam is just one of the few large company CEOs to tweet in the style other Twitter users usually use. He's adopting the native culture rather than setting a trend.

Sam still uses capitalization in all of his essays, as do most people (including young people). In essays, like this one, it's distracting without it. I predict in 10 years the vast majority of people will all-lowercase on places like Twitter but almost no one will do it for essays.

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bowsamic | root | parent | next
Well at least it makes it easy to know who to avoid
msikora | root | parent | next
That is so incredibly dumb. I can get it in a tweet, but please, please, please properly capitalize in anything longer than a few words!
4ggr0 | root | parent | next
i don't want to press the shift-key everytime i need a capitalized letter on my phone and i disable auto-correct because it constantly messes with native languages etc.

wasn't aware that this makes me a steve jobs copier :(

EDIT: people are seriously so emotionally invested in capitalization that i get downvoted into minus, jeez.

marssaxman | root | parent | next
When you consciously choose to save yourself effort in writing, at the expense of the readers who are trying to make sense of what you are saying, the people onto whom you've transferred the cognitive load are not likely to appreciate your laziness.
4ggr0 | root | parent
your comment contains one, single, capitalized letter. if the first W in your comment would have been small, would that have made your comment so much harder to read?

does it make my comment so hard to read just because i don't start my sentences with big letters and don't capitalize myself(i)? really don't get the fuzz.

of course i capitalize letters in "official" texts, but we're in a comment section.

i find it doubly funny because english doesn't capitalize lots of things, anyways.

1dom | root | parent | next
Hey, sorry! I don't want you to feel bad, and I don't think you should.

I think there are legitimate reasons to struggle with things like capital letters, and you've named a few: non-native language and interface device limitations. There's other accessibility reasons too, like I have some dyslexic family members who use less capitalisation than most. Also, direct or casual communication with individuals, the impact of the extra cognitive load is minimal - 1 or 2 people - so again, no real issue.

The problem I have with this piece is that it's clearly meant to be an intellectual or academic-adjacent piece, and it's clearly meant to be public/read by many people - that's why we're reading it on Hackernews. The author is not putting in the extra few seconds required to fix the problem when writing, and as a result, many thousands of people lose a few seconds each when reading. I feel there must be a point where the cost of the extra reading time to humanity outweighs the benefits of the intellectual contribution - I can't really tell because even if I overlook the capitalisation, I'm not smart enough to understand it anyway.

tomsmeding | root | parent | next
For completeness: I also disable all autocorrect/autocomplete on mobile because it's more trouble than it's worth, but I leave auto-capitalisation on. This is a thing, they're independent settings.
4ggr0 | root | parent
i absolutely HATE every automated keyboard-"helper", ever.

type in multiple languages constantly and all of these helpers constantly default to english usage. plus it would be weird to me if every sentence starts with a capital letter but the rest is left as it is. seems like such an arbitrary solution.

bowsamic | root | parent
> EDIT: people are seriously so emotionally invested in capitalization that i get downvoted into minus, jeez.

I find it weird that you would be surprised that people care about the quality of textual communication

4ggr0 | root | parent
maybe because i use downvotes differently than others. downvote for me means, that someone either outright lies, is very disrespectful or adds nothing to the discussion.

i don't see it as a "i don't agree with this comment"-button. opinions differ, i guess :)

alchemist1e9 | root | parent
> It's a fad associated with AI, popularised by Sam Altman especially.

I know this is true but does anyone understand why they do it? It is actually cognitively disruptive when reading content because many of us are trained to simultaneously proof read while reading.

So I also consider it a type of cognitive attack vector and it annoys me extremely as well.

nomel | root | parent | next
It's not true at all. It was very common, nearly norm in all online communication until phones started auto correcting with capitalization. You could always tell who was a mac/phone user by their use of capitalization. Sam is older than when that happened. He almost certainly spent the majority of his online life typing in lowercase, as I did. Go look at any old IRC chat log, forum, etc from his era.
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saghm | root | parent | next
The sibling comment to yours mentions that this is pretty common on Twitter, and I'd guess that it started as a way to making firing off tweets from a phone easier (since the extra effort to hit shift when typing on a phone keyboard is a bit higher, and the additional effort to go back and fix any typos that happen due to trying to capitalize things is also higher compared to using a traditional keyboard). Once enough people were doing it there, the style probably became recognizable and evoked a certain "vibe" that people wanted to replicate elsewhere, including in places where the original context of "hitting the shift key is more work than it's worth" doesn't hold as well.
bowsamic | root | parent
> since the extra effort to hit shift when typing on a phone keyboard is a bit higher, and the additional effort to go back and fix any typos that happen due to trying to capitalize things is also higher compared to using a traditional keyboard

I'm a bit confused about this. Do people turn off auto capitalisation on their phones? I very rarely have to press shift on my phone

meowface | root | parent | next
I and everyone I know turns it off. On many platforms and in many cultures, capitalization often implies Solemness or even rudeness in 1-on-1 conversations, and otherwise comes across as being out of touch in other kinds of communication.
alchemist1e9 | root | parent | next
Wow then I guess everyone finds me very rude. I capitalize, use correct grammar and spelling to the best of my ability in text messages just like any written communication. I find it rude when people don’t as I interpret it as they don’t even care enough about our communication to take the small effort to make their writing easy to comprehend and understand!
bowsamic | root | parent
I’ve never encountered anyone turning it off. I avoid socialising with people who think it’s rude to use capitalisation.
Izkata | root | parent
It's not directly rude, it's more like a serious tone of voice. But it only works like that when used unnecessarily, like in chat or IM where the message boundary styling doubles as a sentence boundary.

Using the chat/IM style outside of that context just doesn't work and looks really odd, like it's obviously someone who didn't learn those norms and is now mimicking them without understanding them.

bowsamic | root | parent
I only communicate seriously
Izkata | root | parent
That's different from a "serious tone of voice" though. Think like the way a parent might start talking to their kid when they're angry but not yelling, with something like "You better get home right now."

Or another example: "Call me" is a just a regular "let's chat about something", but "Call me." is "something bad happened I need to tell you about, so prepare yourself".

Interestingly, you're actually partially doing what I described on 2 of your 3 messages in this chain - you left out the last period because HN formatting makes it obvious where the sentence ends. So even if this norm did apply here (it doesn't really), you're not using the serious tone of voice.

1dom | root | parent
This is interesting. I didn't realise so many people disable it. A lot of what you're saying is completely backwards to my life experience.

For me and I guess most people I communicate with on e.g. Whatsapp. "Call me." is normal, expected, everything is fine, just need a phone call. "call me" is more like something has gone so horribly wrong (or someone is so incredibly pissed off) they've lost the ability to communicate normally. I wouldn't be offended, more like concerned.

saghm | root | parent
I hadn't considered that. My best guess is that it was originally an intentional decision based on consistency with nouns that people might have mid-sentence that they can't rely on autocorrect to capitalize properly.
andai | root | parent
>So I also consider it a type of cognitive attack vector

What does this mean?

alchemist1e9 | root | parent
I mean it seems very intentional and a passive aggressive technique to make the read feel disoriented while reading the content.

I can literally feel it assaulting my reading speed.