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Ross Ulbricht was not a good person. Full stop.

He organized and operated a global criminal drug ring and conspired to have people killed. The only difference between DPR and Pabla Escobar is that DPR was running his drug business in the 2010s instead of the 1980s.

> The only difference between DPR and Pabla Escobar is that DPR was running his drug business in the 2010s instead of the 1980s.

Asserting moral equivalence between someone who ordered dozens of innocent women and children not just killed but dismembered - solely as a lesson for others. Orders which were actually carried out multiple times and DPR who was never charged, tried or convicted of conspiring with a supposed online hitman to kill a competitor (who both were actually FBI informants - clearly making it entrapment). Yeah, that's quite a reach.

Sure, DPR was no saint but why push for the absolute maximally extreme interpretation? Even asserting he "organized and operated a global criminal drug ring" is a stretch. My understanding is he ran an online marketplace which drug dealers used to sell to their customers. I'm not aware that Ross ever bought or sold drugs as a business or hired others to do so. There is more than a little nuance between 1) buying drugs from distributors, delivering drugs to buyers and collecting the money, and 2) running online forums and messaging for people who do those things. At most, #2 is being an accessory to #1.

> My understanding is he ran an online marketplace which drug dealers used to sell to their customers. I'm not aware that Ross ever bought or sold drugs as a business or hired others to do so.

Ah yes, he accumulated over $5 billion in Bitcoins by entirely legal means. He didn't facilitate the wholesale distribution of illegal (and dangerous) drugs at all. He never contributed to the massive distribution of Fentanyle-laced dopes to the United States, Europe, and elsewhere. He was just the online guy!

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DPR dabbled with the idea of violence.

Pablo Escobar revelled in it.

PE put bombed newspapers and killed hundreds, if not thousands of people unrelated to any criminal enterprise or to arresting him. I mean, actual innocent, minding their own business civilians. Over 4000 murders have been directly attributed to the actions and orders of Escobar. Estimates to the actual count range closer to 8000.

DPR went over to the dark side a bit in that entrapment racket, or at least it seems so.

Thinking that someone needs to be murdered isn’t necessarily a character flaw, imho.

It depends on what DPR was led to believe about this fictional person. It is reasonable to imagine that the FBI took every possible measure to make their fake victim seem as murder worthy as possible. It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine that the “victim” may have been painted as a purveyor of child trafficking, CSAM, or other things repugnant. My point is we don’t know. And if we don’t know, we should reserve judgment.

>DPR went over to the dark side a bit in that entrapment racket

It has to start somewhere

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I don't think anyone in here is making the case that Ulbricht is a "good person", but comparing Escobar to Ulbricht is next-level delusional.

One of these people attempted to place hits on 3-4 individuals, the other one planted a bomb on a passenger plane that resulted in the deaths of over a hundred people.

Get some perspective and/or learn your history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_203

> I don't think anyone in here is making the case that Ulbricht is a "good person",

I am.

He built a tool that allowed people to circumvent a wantonly unjust legal framework by an aging, decreasingly relevant state.

We need more of that.

> The only difference between DPR and Pabla Escobar

The only difference?

Was he ever convicted on conspiracy to murder?

Because in my opinion the ethics of operating a drug ring is not as black as white as you state.

The existence of drug rings is an inevitable outcome from the war on drugs and I would argue the blame lands on the politicians who maintain the status quo that incentivises the creation of the black market for drugs.

wait what? Escobar was responsible for conservatively 4,000 people killed, some at his own hand

DPR conspired but didn't actually directly kill anyone

Not saying DPR was a good person, but a little perspective is in order

He did order (and pay for) at least one murder. It just happens that both the victim and the would-be hit man were both informants so they staged the murder. Ross’ argument is that he knew it was fake, but that makes no sense in context.

It was right that they dropped the charge because it was quite obviously entrapment. But none of it reflects well on Ross Ulbricht’s character.

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