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Illegal immigration is a BS term, make immigration legal if you don't want illegal immigrants. It's not like people choose the hard, dangerous and expensive ways instead of buying a Ryanair ticket. When the illegal immigrants BS doesn't hold they all start complaining about legal immigrants as with the UK and their core Brexit reason.
CamouflagedKiwi | parent | next
That's a ridiculous way of thinking about it. Anyone who says they don't want illegal immigrants isn't objecting simply because of the legal status, they think the process should be upheld which prevented those people from immigrating legally.

It's the same reason we don't seek to improve crime rates by legalising theft. Sure, there'd be fewer people labelled as "criminal", but the original problem would remain (and in all probability would become worse).

mrtksn | root | parent
And why the process of immigrating legally is more than buying a ticket and a security check at the border?

Obviously, it is the reason that matters and the reason is not benign.

People want other people to like people in certain way they and then castrate Alan Turing for illegal love. People want to have slaves then they have illegally free slaves problem.

Why pretend that this is about upholding the law?

piltdownman | parent | next
Well no, its not. Specifically in relation to Asylum Seekers contravening the EU Dublin Regulation and tearing up their passports on an intra-EU flight so they can claim Asylum and the associated social welfare in Ireland rather than France or Germany due to our much higher rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

Basically economic migrants - predominately young men from the middle east - disguising themselves as Refugees and taking social supports away from the families fleeing warzones.

mrtksn | root | parent
That is one subset of immigration crime that is rightly frown upon and can be completely avoided abolition of the country borders concept that was introduced in the last 100 years or less. Want to help people in need? Instead of confining them into areas and then impose restriction on those and give some of them some money, help those in need. Or don't help, but at least don't pretend that you are bringing justice to the world without addressing the core problems.

In other words, this is actually welfare fraud that happens to have a travel component.

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robertlagrant | parent | next
> make immigration legal if you don't want illegal immigrants

As a philosophy of law point, aren't laws passed to make things illegal if they aren't wanted? Rather than legal?

mrtksn | root | parent
That's the point, illegal immigration is just a veil so some people can feel better for them selves.

"it's not that I don't like them - I am not like that, its just that I don't want illegal immigration"

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rangestransform | parent | next
It is within the right of every nation to determine who comes in and who doesn’t, by lethal force if necessary
worthless-trash | parent
Immigration is legal though, in most countries.